Real Science vs Bro Science: Ohhh some of you are NOT going to like this!

[bil]

clones are cut and they are given 14 days to root. they are then transplanted and rested in veg for 14 more days. then they are transplanted again into their final grow bags. they veg for 7 to 14 days and then are flipped and flowered out, which is another 7-10 weeks strain dependent. commercial grows usually go for the shorter finishing strains over the long ones because those who make the decisions prefer $$$ over quality.

this means a new crop ever 9-13 weeks (per flower room) including room tear down and cleaning and re-commissioning. then add a shit ton of grow rooms and make it a never ending cycle.

 

[derek420colorado]

Basically here’s my pitch for a commercial rev grow op.

With my LAG system you can grow anywhere from 1.5x to 2x more top shelf flower than you do at a 25-75% cost reduction(This is mainly archived by nutrient cost being much less for autos for out door and the lights only having to run 10-12 hours a day for indoor) with a system that literally alllows you to DO NOTHING but fill an autopot res. Everything is goin to be automated for the most part and will literally require about 2-3 hours a WEEK of “work” not even joking I think a monkey could do it once it is setup.

I think as long as I can deliver(which I think I can that’s why I have put 6 years and close to 100k into this dream of mine) I don’t see how someone can refuse. But I wanna hear how they could try and refuse so I can overcome that.
I am a career salesperson. I have an entire leg tattoo dedicated to it(see below lol) it’s the only other thing in my life I am as good at as growin pot things. “The only thing that separates a good salesperson from a great one is the sum and the quality of the answers he has to the most commonly raised objections by his prospective customers”

I wanna have 3 answers to every question a potential client could have. So by doing the leg work beforehand I can start to find out what those questions are.

 

[derek420colorado]

clones are cut and they are given 14 days to root. they are then transplanted and rested in veg for 14 more days. then they are transplanted again into their final grow bags. they veg for 7 to 14 days and then are flipped and flowered out, which is another 7-10 weeks strain dependent. commercial grows usually go for the shorter finishing strains over the long ones because those who make the decisions prefer $$$ over quality.

this means a new crop ever 9-13 weeks (per flower room) including room tear down and cleaning and re-commissioning. then add a shit ton of grow rooms and make it a never ending cycle.

Yep and that’s the thing per “flower room” because you have to use lots of space to veg with photos this allows you to utilize all of the space. You can do a perpetual grow with autos(I know you know this lol) but they can all be in the same room, no conflicting and competing light Schedules etc. so autos win again. Less equipment and time spent=win

 

[Son of Hobbes]

I will be headed up to Pueblo this week. What strains should I look for?
And yes you are 10000% right about med users goin to rev stores. I had t thought of that. See this is why I ask stuff lol.
So do you think that with a very stable auto you could get similar enough medicinal effects to be viable in the med world? I am really just goin to have to find out what each place does. I know they are all different so I am tryin to basically eliminate all of those objections one could have to my product now before I bring it to market. Has @FullDuplex been around lately? Isn’t he workin at a commercial grow right now? Or am I thinking of someone else from IG

To your medical question, 100%. Everyone that's ever smoked an autoflower has used it medically whether they thought so or not lol. Your endocannabinoid system has no clue whether you're consuming to enjoy Xbox or to relieve chronic pain. I see it pop up a lot in cannabis groups on Facebook where people say autoflowers have no medical value, well that's just ignorant and a bold face lie. Considering virtually all autos grown are hybrids of indica/sativa, the same cannabinoids/terpenes that exist in photos exist in autos. And proven by testing that so many people have done and graciously put online for us to look at.

You know.... this is pretty fucked up but I do think it would work this way. In Colorado, you submit strains in for testing for potency, pathogen, etc. If you grew say Strain X Autoflower, and even if you saw a ton of different phenotypes, it's still considered one strain in METRC (the tracking system for seed to sale.) And it's like a 9 gram sample to determine the potency/pathogen testing for up to 10 pounds of product for that one strain entered.

SO.... you could feasibly grow an entire greenhouse of autos that's one strain here in Colorado and still get it into dispensary for market.

What rec dispensaries are looking for is:

A) Price, first and foremost. Gypsy bastards.
B) Potency. Since rec dispensaries sell flower based on tiers (typically low shelf sub 20, mid shelf 20-30, top shelf over 30% testing,) they want the highest testing potency reports. This right here is a MEGA factor in what you can ask for on your flower.
C) Seeds. Finding one seed can drop the price at wholesale by HALF. Outdoor pounds were selling for like $500-$550 last fall because they were seeded (wholesale to dispensary, who turns around and sells the ounces for $120-140, seeded.)
D) Quality of trim. Crows feet, kick stands, etc. Bag appeal.

And that's.... pretty much it.

Not sure about the med side to be honest, that's a different animal (a percentage of med flower has to be grown at the dispensary site, etc.)

 

[derek420colorado]

I can sell salt to a slug
I can sell a Starving dog off a meat wagon
I can sell yellow snow to an Eskimo
And I can sell a lady in white gloves a ketchup popsicle

I am really good at sales hahahahaha had a wonderful career and made lots of money. But now it is time to put it all to use on my am gum opus!

 

[Son of Hobbes]

Basically here’s my pitch for a commercial rev grow op.

With my LAG system you can grow anywhere from 1.5x to 2x more top shelf flower than you do at a 25-75% cost reduction(This is mainly archived by nutrient cost being much less for autos for out door and the lights only having to run 10-12 hours a day for indoor) with a system that literally alllows you to DO NOTHING but fill an autopot res. Everything is goin to be automated for the most part and will literally require about 2-3 hours a WEEK of “work” not even joking I think a monkey could do it once it is setup.

I think as long as I can deliver(which I think I can that’s why I have put 6 years and close to 100k into this dream of mine) I don’t see how someone can refuse. But I wanna hear how they could try and refuse so I can overcome that.
I am a career salesperson. I have an entire leg tattoo dedicated to it(see below lol) it’s the only other thing in my life I am as good at as growin pot things. “The only thing that separates a good salesperson from a great one is the sum and the quality of the answers he has to the most commonly raised objections by his prospective customers”

I wanna have 3 answers to every question a potential client could have. So by doing the leg work beforehand I can start to find out what those questions are.

Incorporate light rails into your system for even better savings. Saw them at my first grow I worked at, amaaaaaaaaazing results. I think a ton of ops could drop their lighting reqs by up to 1/3 by using movers (and when you're talking like 20,000 watts+ per room, that's a lot of money on the electric bill saved. And heat!)

clones are cut and they are given 14 days to root. they are then transplanted and rested in veg for 14 more days. then they are transplanted again into their final grow bags. they veg for 7 to 14 days and then are flipped and flowered out, which is another 7-10 weeks strain dependent. commercial grows usually go for the shorter finishing strains over the long ones because those who make the decisions prefer $$$ over quality.

this means a new crop ever 9-13 weeks (per flower room) including room tear down and cleaning and re-commissioning. then add a shit ton of grow rooms and make it a never ending cycle.

We did perpetual harvest at my last grow, 9 sets of 3 tables, each set was a different week (1 through 9) in flower. So every week we had a new batch of week 1 flowering plants, and a harvest batch of week 9's. Harvest every single week, it was pretty bad ass lol.

 

[pop22]

I'd hire one person to run the culture op and pay them well. Remember one cutting can make many explants. Then, you can store thousands of explants for months on a few shelves vs tables full of clones. For every thousand clones you can make, tissue cultures can make tens of thousands. Set up costs would be expensive so you'll only see the big corps doing this ( a couple already are from what I understand ). There is a company in Ca selling clones grown from tissue cultures. It's no longer an if, it's just a matter of time for it to be adopted more widely.

Trying to picture tissue culture in the commercial grow and honestly guys, having a tough time seeing it. The average wage of growers in Colorado is like $13/hour. Head Growers aren't making much more. Just trying to picture the guy in charge of this, when I've seen temps hock loogies into our growing medium before while mixing pots...

 

[derek420colorado]

To your medical question, 100%. Everyone that's ever smoked an autoflower has used it medically whether they thought so or not lol. Your endocannabinoid system has no clue whether you're consuming to enjoy Xbox or to relieve chronic pain. I see it pop up a lot in cannabis groups on Facebook where people say autoflowers have no medical value, well that's just ignorant and a bold face lie. Considering virtually all autos grown are hybrids of indica/sativa, the same cannabinoids/terpenes that exist in photos exist in autos. And proven by testing that so many people have done and graciously put online for us to look at.

You know.... this is pretty fucked up but I do think it would work this way. In Colorado, you submit strains in for testing for potency, pathogen, etc. If you grew say Strain X Autoflower, and even if you saw a ton of different phenotypes, it's still considered one strain in METRC (the tracking system for seed to sale.) And it's like a 9 gram sample to determine the potency/pathogen testing for up to 10 pounds of product for that one strain entered.

SO.... you could feasibly grow an entire greenhouse of autos that's one strain here in Colorado and still get it into dispensary for market.

What rec dispensaries are looking for is:

A) Price, first and foremost. Gypsy bastards.
B) Potency. Since rec dispensaries sell flower based on tiers (typically low shelf sub 20, mid shelf 20-30, top shelf over 30% testing,) they want the highest testing potency reports. This right here is a MEGA factor in what you can ask for on your flower.
C) Seeds. Finding one seed can drop the price at wholesale by HALF. Outdoor pounds were selling for like $500-$550 last fall because they were seeded (wholesale to dispensary, who turns around and sells the ounces for $120-140, seeded.)
D) Quality of trim. Crows feet, kick stands, etc. Bag appeal.

And that's.... pretty much it.

Not sure about the med side to be honest, that's a different animal (a percentage of med flower has to be grown at the dispensary site, etc.)

Awesome thanks bud, here’s the kicker I don’t give a shite what they buy their flower for, I am Sellin them my “system” my LAG series light assisted greenhouses. That’s the product the actual greenhouse. These folks will be growin there own flower and can sell it for whatever they want. I want to get them to convert their current space into my LAG system of growing.

 

[Son of Hobbes]

You know.... this is pretty fucked up but I do think it would work this way. In Colorado, you submit strains in for testing for potency, pathogen, etc. If you grew say Strain X Autoflower, and even if you saw a ton of different phenotypes, it's still considered one strain in METRC (the tracking system for seed to sale.) And it's like a 9 gram sample to determine the potency/pathogen testing for up to 10 pounds of product for that one strain entered.

SO.... you could feasibly grow an entire greenhouse of autos that's one strain here in Colorado and still get it into dispensary for market.

The problem with this is the result is going to look insane in a bag when you're trying to sell it. Inevitably things will not look the same, meaning someone might question what you've got there. But shit... maybe that could be a new trend. Call it "Roulette". lol.

You don't have to tell anyone it's an autoflower. My neighbors Eekman/Root used to live in Cali and grew for the dispos out there, they said autoflowers were being sold to dispensaries all the time. Trainwreck photo and Trainwreck auto is just Trainwreck on the shelf.

 

[Son of Hobbes]

I'd hire one person to run the culture op and pay them well. Remember one cutting can make many explants. Then, you can store thousands of explants for months on a few shelves vs tables full of clones. For every thousand clones you can make, tissue cultures can make tens of thousands. Set up costs would be expensive so you'll only see the big corps doing this ( a couple already are from what I understand ). There is a company in Ca selling clones grown from tissue cultures. It's no longer an if, it's just a matter of time for it to be adopted more widely.

I want to work for you, pop. lol