Real Science vs Bro Science: Ohhh some of you are NOT going to like this!

[derek420colorado]

Also it still has to beat the clone time. I can take hundreds of clones in a few hours and be sitting with propagated clones in 2 weeks.

Indeed but I think that is negated due to the fact that in that time I can make 1.5x more bud. If it only takes 10 days then we might have something, now if it’s closer to 21 then it might be past the point of diminishing returns.

 

[Fitzy]

Trying to picture tissue culture in the commercial grow and honestly guys, having a tough time seeing it. The average wage of growers in Colorado is like $13/hour. Head Growers aren't making much more. Just trying to picture the guy in charge of this, when I've seen temps hock loogies into our growing medium before while mixing pots...

Thats sad that people suck that much that they would fuck with the product they are supposed to be making sure it's of best quality ect as for tissue cultures I think bc of the time involved they would only be viable for breeding especially autos as u can save phenotypes

 

[derek420colorado]

Indeed but I think that is negated due to the fact that in that time I can make 1.5x more bud. If it only takes 10 days then we might have something, now if it’s closer to 21 then it might be past the point of diminishing returns.

How long does it take on average to go from fresh cut clone to harvested flower? 3 months or so? Also when done in 3 months what’s the average yield?
Also I am not in any way tryin to be a dick in asking these questions(as most know I plan on selling my LAG series grow models and my main target is going to be commercial grows. So I’ve been needing to ask someone who has knowledge of large scale photo grows this stuff to start to get an idea of comparison numbers)

 

[Son of Hobbes]

Thats sad that people suck that much that they would fuck with the product they are supposed to be making sure it's of best quality ect as for tissue cultures I think bc of the time involved they would only be viable for breeding especially autos as u can save phenotypes

If you have EVER purchased cannabis in Colorado from a dispensary, you have smoked powdery mildew. Commercial cannabis garbage bullshit. Grow your own, it's the best and most clean medicine you can produce.

 

[Fitzy]

How long does it take on average to go from fresh cut clone to harvested flower? 3 months or so? Also when done in 3 months what’s the average yield?
Also I am not in any way tryin to be a dick in asking these questions(as most know I plan on selling my LAG series grow models and my main target is going to be commercial grows. So I’ve been needing to ask someone who has knowledge of large scale photo grows this stuff to start to get an idea of comparison numbers)

The thing I don't prefer when dealing with clones your almost sure to break 100 days between rooting veg ect so from my personal outdoors experiences from seed just works better, I've also had clones side by side look 100% different they where fed watered ect the same and got very different results I will look for pics the clones were taken from an outdoor plant and brought in then flowered.

 

[Son of Hobbes]

How long does it take on average to go from fresh cut clone to harvested flower? 3 months or so? Also when done in 3 months what’s the average yield?
Also I am not in any way tryin to be a dick in asking these questions(as most know I plan on selling my LAG series grow models and my main target is going to be commercial grows. So I’ve been needing to ask someone who has knowledge of large scale photo grows this stuff to start to get an idea of comparison numbers)

A lot of factors in there, size of the pots, how long they are allowed to veg, etc. I worked at a grow where we went from 7 gallons to 10 gallons to 20 gallons. When we switched to 20 gallons, the owner wanted to SHORT our veg by 2-3 weeks because he thought he needed to catch up on harvest. I tried so hard to explain "you can't go into a bigger pot and give LESS time to veg," but he didn't listen, and fuck man.... what a WASTE of time, money, water, nutrients, medium. Could have produced the same plants in 5 gallon pots and saved epic fucking shit tons of time.

At my last grow, we'd put our rooted clones (I'd say 2 weeks average) in 1 gallon pots, then those would veg until rooted (about 2 weeks,) then moved to 5 or 7 gallons. About 6 weeks total in veg (this floats a bit,) then 9 weeks total in flower. So you're looking 15 weeks minimum (that's veg and bloom.) Things can always be moved up or down, but that directly effects harvest weight. Summer plants grow nearly twice as big as winter plants with the sun intensity (so you'd go to a larger pot in summer time.)

Now here's the kicker (and you'll all find this funny,) a lot of grows are perfectly happy getting a quarter pound harvest per plant. Hell some grows don't even average that. Few people are growing the 25 foot tall trees, instead they are growing 5 to 6 foot tall plants (if even that.)

So in terms of weight, I 10000% believe that autos can compete with photos on the floor with most ops. It's just being able to repeat/replicate the strain. If you can't replicate that, you don't have a user experience that can be repeated (and that's the selling point.)

 

[derek420colorado]

A lot of factors in there, size of the pots, how long they are allowed to veg, etc. I worked at a grow where we went from 7 gallons to 10 gallons to 20 gallons. When we switched to 20 gallons, the owner wanted to SHORT our veg by 2-3 weeks because he thought he needed to catch up on harvest. I tried so hard to explain "you can't go into a bigger pot and give LESS time to veg," but he didn't listen, and fuck man.... what a WASTE of time, money, water, nutrients, medium. Could have produced the same plants in 5 gallon pots and saved epic fucking shit tons of time.

At my last grow, we'd put our rooted clones (I'd say 2 weeks average) in 1 gallon pots, then those would veg until rooted (about 2 weeks,) then moved to 5 or 7 gallons. About 6 weeks total in veg (this floats a bit,) then 9 weeks total in flower. So you're looking 15 weeks minimum (that's veg and bloom.) Things can always be moved up or down, but that directly effects harvest weight. Summer plants grow nearly twice as big as winter plants with the sun intensity (so you'd go to a larger pot in summer time.)

Now here's the kicker (and you'll all find this funny,) a lot of grows are perfectly happy getting a quarter pound harvest per plant. Hell some grows don't even average that. Few people are growing the 25 foot tall trees, instead they are growing 5 to 6 foot tall plants (if even that.)

So in terms of weight, I 10000% believe that autos can compete with photos on the floor with most ops. It's just being able to repeat/replicate the strain. If you can't replicate that, you don't have a user experience that can be repeated (and that's the selling point.)

So here’s kind of my thinking on that. I think that the “exact” copy thing is more of a medical deal. Here’s what I mean. The main reason folks want to be able to have The exact genetic copy, is for it to produce the exact effect(on the consumer end) and the exact same replicated process(for the growers) With that being said I don’t think the end recreational consumer is NEARLY as concerned with the exact cannabanoid profile as a true medical user, and I think that with stable enough autos you can get suuuuuuper close to the same profile each time within a couple percentage points. I mean yes you will always have outliers ie more or less frosty. But for the most part almost all of them willl be pretty close right?
So let me ask you, why is it so important to be able to replicate exactly? In your opinion

 

[Son of Hobbes]

So here’s kind of my thinking on that. I think that the “exact” copy thing is more of a medical deal. Here’s what I mean. The main reason folks want to be able to have The exact genetic copy, is for it to produce the exact effect(on the consumer end) and the exact same replicated process(for the growers) With that being said I don’t think the end recreational consumer is NEARLY as concerned with the exact cannabanoid profile as a true medical user, and I think that with stable enough autos you can get suuuuuuper close to the same profile each time within a couple percentage points. I mean yes you will always have outliers ie more or less frosty. But for the most part almost all of them willl be pretty close right?
So let me ask you, why is it so important to be able to replicate exactly? In your opinion

Devil's advocate, a ridiculous amount of medical users purchase cannabis from recreational dispensaries, simply because of the hoops you jump through to get a medical card (you give up some rights.)

I shop rec myself and I know what something should smell and taste like; even with your clone-only photos the experience varies from grow to grow. Same clones, same mothers, but how it's grown make a WORLD of difference.

Now that said, a lot of rec users don't give a shit. One of our local dispensaries just bargain hunts out weed, they have some SERIOUSLY shitty stuff on the shelf lol. But it sells. Because broke ass poor people just want to get high.

 

[Son of Hobbes]

If you are ever in Pueblo or east of Pueblo, you can shop at Mesa Organics and buy weed that I grew though

 

[derek420colorado]

If you are ever in Pueblo or east of Pueblo, you can shop at Mesa Organics and buy weed that I grew though

I will be headed up to Pueblo this week. What strains should I look for?
And yes you are 10000% right about med users goin to rev stores. I had t thought of that. See this is why I ask stuff lol.
So do you think that with a very stable auto you could get similar enough medicinal effects to be viable in the med world? I am really just goin to have to find out what each place does. I know they are all different so I am tryin to basically eliminate all of those objections one could have to my product now before I bring it to market. Has @FullDuplex been around lately? Isn’t he workin at a commercial grow right now? Or am I thinking of someone else from IG