Nute Burn?

I guess I'm in one too many threads I originally thought you were doing soil with some cocoa in it which to me is odd. I grow in general hydroponics compressed Coco bales and I used the GH Trio for my feed.

In my experience there's nothing you can't solve with correct pH correct feed level and enough runoff. Are you getting 15 to 20% runoff each and every time you feed? And making sure that the plants are not soaking that run off back up into the pot?

I've had a dry start or two with gh Coco. It's kind of a fine line if you go in with your Coco too wet with seedlings they're slow to start and get them too dry and you can get kind of what you're looking at. But, there's no reason you couldn't mix up your scheduled nutrient mix and pour it through that pot till you got 70 or 80% runoff. That would clear out any salt build-up you have if you never got it properly hydrated that would get it nice and wet all the way through and help flush out anything that was left over in the manufacturing process, probably solve your problem right there.

If you want to see a bad start in Coco turn around fast with enough nutrients runoff and pH correct just check out my current fast buds grow.
 
AJ-- somethings off with your numbers here,...Your initial input to moisten the coco was 5.75 pH, then you used RO/DI water after the waiting period to gather your test run-off, right? How much run-off did you get, like 1/2 cup or less preferably (too much waters it down and gives inaccurate pH)... You tested this, and it it's 6.72pH and 480 ppm (this part is not bad at all)... Note that your pH went UP, not down, like expected! weird,.. According to the calculation: 6.72- 5.75=0.97 in this instance because your run-off is higher pH than your starting pH, you add the difference to the run-off pH: 6.72+0.97= 7.69... I assumed your 70/30 mix is with perlite? There's no lime, dolomite, anything like that added? It's very odd to have pH'ed water come out of coco less acidic than what went in,...
 
@jingo I am getting runoff not sure if it is 20% or not. The runoff drains off below and does not touch the pot. Question I noticed your doing 6.1 PH is that closer to optimal than 5.8? I am using the GH bales as well with FLora NOva. Does 3ml calmag per gallon and fert up to 500ppms with nova grow PHed to 5.8 sound like it will solve the issue. Every thing I read says to keep watering, but honestly it is hard to do when everything is wonky.
 
I'm happy if I get my PH down to 6.1 I'm actually shooting for 5.8 but I don't mind being off .3 on the high side. The problems arise if I'm off .3 on the low side then I see real issues.

The feed I mixed today came out 5.9
 
AJ-- somethings off with your numbers here,...Your initial input to moisten the coco was 5.75 pH, then you used RO/DI water after the waiting period to gather your test run-off, right? How much run-off did you get, like 1/2 cup or less preferably (too much waters it down and gives inaccurate pH)... You tested this, and it it's 6.72pH and 480 ppm (this part is not bad at all)... Note that your pH went UP, not down, like expected! weird,.. According to the calculation: 6.72- 5.75=0.97 in this instance because your run-off is higher pH than your starting pH, you add the difference to the run-off pH: 6.72+0.97= 7.69... I assumed your 70/30 mix is with perlite? There's no lime, dolomite, anything like that added? It's very odd to have pH'ed water come out of coco less acidic than what went in,...
Yes i only ended up with a few ounces of run off. I did it to the two that were hurting one came out 6.72 the other was 6.7 or close. Either I am testing this wrong (i think I have the testing down) or I screwed something up major along the way. I did not add anything but perlite. Could over watering cause this?
 
no,...well unless maybe the water is really hard... what's your water source AJ? Is you pH meter calibrated recently?
 
AJ-- somethings off with your numbers here,...Your initial input to moisten the coco was 5.75 pH, then you used RO/DI water after the waiting period to gather your test run-off, right? How much run-off did you get, like 1/2 cup or less preferably (too much waters it down and gives inaccurate pH)... You tested this, and it it's 6.72pH and 480 ppm (this part is not bad at all)... Note that your pH went UP, not down, like expected! weird,.. According to the calculation: 6.72- 5.75=0.97 in this instance because your run-off is higher pH than your starting pH, you add the difference to the run-off pH: 6.72+0.97= 7.69... I assumed your 70/30 mix is with perlite? There's no lime, dolomite, anything like that added? It's very odd to have pH'ed water come out of coco less acidic than what went in,...
I used ph water at 5.75 then it sat for an hour and I added just enough RO water no ph to get the runoff. Did I do that correctly? My RO waters PH is high like 8s but I thought it was not supposed to be PHed so it did not through the numbers off.
 
I doubt you need 3 mils of calimagic per gallon I think two is sufficient. I would just give it whatever the schedule calls for as far as the Flora Nova. I don't think he'd have any problem going up to 500 part per million.

That pH scale is logarithmic kinda like the earthquake scale. You really have a hard time getting calcium as your pH goes below 5.8 obviously you can get it a lot lower than 5.8 but you pick up more calcium with your pH at 5.9 or 6 even. I guess what I'm trying to say is sometimes if you think your issue is calcium you just up your pH a little bit and you end up ok.

Anyway I use RO water and I use 2 mil per gallon calimagic. I tried to cut down and I could go 1 mil per gallon in veg and then 2 in flower but I think 2 Mil all the way through is good for me. I trust the GH drain to waste schedule as far as the trio goes. The only thing I really do different is I hold the grow nutrients a little longer actually the transition phase longer is what I do.
 
wait, whaaat? :eek1: your RO water is coming out at 8+pH? That's a bad sign mate, the membrane might be toast,.. what's the ppm on the RO? pH readings on truly pure RO or DI water can be difficult to get (has to do with the way meters works and chemistry).. better measure is ppm of the RO water, which should be well under 10ppm, more like 2-5ppm,... What I chasing here is where the source of alkalinity is coming from, to make your run-off from the pot higher pH than going in! nutes acidify, BTW,...
Jingo, his problem isn't a Ca defc., and as you see, his pH appears to be above 7.0! :confused1:
 
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