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There are a few ways to get better odds when using reg seeds stable environment with temps 80 and higher( to a point) produce more females, keeping the pot from becoming to dry will produce more fems a spike in nutrients can cause more males. Cool blue so 5000k yo 6500k blue heavy light also makes a huge difference there are more give it a search pretty interesting stuff. @LazyNhazy that's an awsome deal I love the fabric pots compared to the others I've tried. Can't wait to see these plants take off you will see males before females, so far out of 12 this round I had 4 males that's close to 70% fem rate I'm interested to see wat the ratio will be for these.

Hi @Fitzy
The data you give about the sex of seeds, refers to processes involved when growing for sex in seed production.
Germination of seeds is best at 24C.

Here is the article from Dutch Passion the first cannabis seed company to fem seeds.

Dutch Passion created feminized cannabis seeds

Feminised cannabis seeds have been one of the most important contributions to the cannabis growing movement in the last generation. Dutch Passion were the first ones who, against all odds, created cannabis seeds that gave rise to 95%+ female plants. These seeds are known as feminised seeds, today they are the most popular and convenient choice for those growing their own stash.
Cannabis, male and female

THE INCONVENIENCE OF REGULAR SEEDS
Before feminised seeds, ‘regular’ cannabis seeds were used which produced approximately 50% male and 50% female plants. This meant that growers had to germinate and grow twice the desired number seedlings in order to reach a satisfactory number of mature females. With the arrival of feminised marijuhana seeds a grower simply plants the desired number of seeds and forgets about the inconvenience of male plants. Male plants not only waste space in a garden, they also risk reducing the finest sensimilla into seed pods. For most growers of recreational or medical marijuana the male plant is simply no longer wanted. The recent boom in home-grown cannabis has been made a lot easier with the arrival of feminised marijuana seeds. No more worrying about how to identify male plants.

Feminised marijuana seeds are grown in the same way as regular seeds. They can be grown indoors, in greenhouses or outside. They can be grown in soil or hydroponic systems. Feminised seeds give more stable results than regular seeds, resulting in better potency for 80% of all varieties.
Desfran male and female seeds

The feminisation process
The exact process of cannabis seed feminisation has been a secret for many years. The principle is straightforward. Female plants can be stimulated to produce pollen in such a way that the pollen is regarded as ‘female pollen’. The female pollen is used to pollinate a female plant which then starts producing seeds. The seeds produced by this method are feminised – they give rise only to female plants.
THE BENEFITS OF FEMINISED MARIJUANA SEEDS
As an additional benefit the feminised marijuana seeds tend to give rise to more uniform plants than regular seed. For the experienced growers feminised seeds have simplified life. To the new grower, feminised cannabis seeds are the only way to go. Growing top quality strains of cannabis has never been as easy, just choose the strain, plant the seeds and ensure ample light and sufficient nutrients.

Dutch Passion invented feminised marijuana seeds and have perhaps the worlds best selection of top quality feminised strains. If you are thinking about buying some feminised seeds then first take a look at what Dutch Passion has to offer – you won’t be disappointed!
Cannabis seeds

The feminized seed experiment
In a Dutch Passion experiment done in 1999 Dutch Passion grew 15 varieties of "feminized" seeds. We started with 30 seeds per variety. The goals were: 1) to determine the percentages of female, male, and hermaphroditic plants. 2) to compare the uniformity (homogeneity) among plants from "feminized" seeds with those grown from "regular" seeds.

1. The results were excellent. Nine out of fifteen varieties had 100% female offspring. Percentages of female plants from the other 6 varieties were between 80 and 90%. These plants were all hermaphrodites, producing their male flowers at the end of their lifecycle. Seed-setting hardly took place. No males were found.

2. Approximately 70% of the plants of varieties grown from "feminized" seeds were far more uniform than plants grown from "regular" seeds of the same variety. About 20% of the varieties were a little more uniform, while in 10% of the varieties no difference in uniformity was seen.

From literature and our own findings it appears that the growth of a male or female plant from seed, except for the predisposition in the gender chromosomes, also depends on various environmental factors. The environmental factors that influence gender are:

• a higher nitrogen concentration will give more females.
• a higher potassium concentration will give more males.
• a higher humidity will give more females.
• a lower temperature will give more females.
• more blue light will give more females.
• Fewer hours of light will give more females.

It is important to start these changes at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks, before reverting to standard conditions.

To produce our feminized cannabis seeds, we start with selected female clones. Under standard conditions these female clones do not produce any male flowers. By the method we found, we are able to have these female clones produce abundant male flowers and pollen (see photos). The pollen thus produced we use for the production of our "feminized" seeds.


Same info different website they basically quote Dutch Passions criteria but fail to mention Dutch Passion but that is where they got their data but somehow thought it was about making pre grown seeds sex variable!
In this write up they completely get the details totally wrong, the details given are for conditions you give to a plant when making seeds and how to get more fem seeds.

Get More Female Plants via a Cannabis Seed (When growing a plant to make seeds - Writing in red added by Arty)

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There are many factors which contribute or influence the sex of a cannabis seed. If you want to create more males or females cannabis seeds, all you have to do is change a few key things to have an increased yield of either.
As soon as the cannabis seedling has its first three pairs of true leaves, you can begin to make the changes to influence what you want to occur. Some of the environmental factors that contribute to the sex of a cannabis plant are:
  • Higher nitrogen levels – more female
  • Lower nitrogen levels – more male
  • Increased potassium levels – more male
  • Lower potassium levels – more female
  • Low temperatures – more females
  • Higher temperatures – more males
  • High humidity – more females
  • Low humidity – more males
  • Low growing medium moisture – more males
  • More blue light – more females
  • More red light – more males
  • Fewer hours of daylight (14 hours) – more females
  • Longer hours of daylight (18+hours) – more males
  • Environmental stress – more males
This does not refer to makin seeds you have in a bag change sex!!!!!
It refers to how to influence the sex of seeds you are growing to collect !!!
Ie. How to make fem seeds by using climatic condition to influence sex of seeds!!
 
I'll tag along. :cooldance:I'm getting ready to start my first grow with non feminized seeds. I plan or starting them in 1L pots until they show signs of sex but now I'm wondering if I should just put 4 or 5 a pot.
Hi Jan
The method you mention ie starting in 1 Liter pots and transplant at sex is my method of "Dwarfing" if you want small compact bud bombs which are all meat and no bones then go ahead and transplant at sex. I you want taller plant with more space between internodes go for a bigger pot from the start and don't transplant.
Transplanting at sex stops stretch!
Keeping temps even (no fluctuation) stops stretch.
The bigger fluctuation between day and night temps, the larger stretch will be.
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The inverse Square Law
The energy twice as far from the source is spread over four times the area,hence one fourth of the intensity.

This is part of the reason we get smaller buds lower down, that and the fact that fan leaves shad out lower bud sites.
This one reason we get "Larf/popcorn" buds at the bottom of the plant.
So it is often removed in a process called "Lolly popping" all the small buds are taken off, which allows the energy that would have been put into growing them be utilised further up the plant.
So grower will also defoliation, which does allow light to bud site which would be shaded by fan leaves.
However even defoliation can't negate the diminishing returns caused by the Inverse Square law that the further light travels, the larger the area it illuminates and so it becomes weaker in any measured area, the further it is from the light source.
This is not to say growing tall plant can't grow you a ton of bud, they can and do but it is a less efficient way of using the available light.
To grow compact bud bombs diminishes the effect of the Inverse Square law because all the buds are roughly all at the same height.

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See how close the internodes are when transplanting at sex!

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A compact bud bomb when transplanting at sex.

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Pics are all of the same plant, Trippy Gorilla from Big Head seeds.
Grown in coco in a 1 Liter pot & transplanted at sex to a 11 Liter pot, temp keep even 24hrs a day.

So that is growing by transplanting at sex, It is just the way I grow.

Grow however you feel most comfortable there are many styles and each person grows the way they feel is the best fit for them.
I have grown in many small and tight spaces and have developed this style over the years and have shown and taught it to others.
I am the first person to show this style and journal it in the forums but others have adopted it!

I wish you all the best with your grow, we all learn from others and by reading as many grow journals as you can!
We have some wonderful grower here at AFN, why not check out so grow by @St. Tom & @Vapo those guys grow some greta plants and are top people. If you find a grow you like the look of read every bit of it and always ask question, we all started at the same place - square one and progressed from there!
Welcome to the forums!:welcome::vibe:
:bighug::pass:
Arty
 
Hi Jan
The method you mention ie starting in 1 Liter pots and transplant at sex is my method of "Dwarfing" if you want small compact bud bombs which are all meat and no bones then go ahead and transplant at sex. I you want taller plant with more space between internodes go for a bigger pot from the start and don't transplant.
Transplanting at sex stops stretch!
Keeping temps even (no fluctuation) stops stretch.
The bigger fluctuation between day and night temps, the larger stretch will be.
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The inverse Square Law
The energy twice as far from the source is spread over four times the area,hence one fourth of the intensity.

This is part of the reason we get smaller buds lower down, that and the fact that fan leaves shad out lower bud sites.
This one reason we get "Larf/popcorn" buds at the bottom of the plant.
So it is often removed in a process called "Lolly popping" all the small buds are taken off, which allows the energy that would have been put into growing them be utilised further up the plant.
So grower will also defoliation, which does allow light to bud site which would be shaded by fan leaves.
However even defoliation can't negate the diminishing returns caused by the Inverse Square law that the further light travels, the larger the area it illuminates and so it becomes weaker in any measured area, the further it is from the light source.
This is not to say growing tall plant can't grow you a ton of bud, they can and do but it is a less efficient way of using the available light.
To grow compact bud bombs diminishes the effect of the Inverse Square law because all the buds are roughly all at the same height.

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See how close the internodes are when transplanting at sex!

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A compact bud bomb when transplanting at sex.

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Pics are all of the same plant, Trippy Gorilla from Big Head seeds.
Grown in coco in a 1 Liter pot & transplanted at sex to a 11 Liter pot, temp keep even 24hrs a day.

So that is growing by transplanting at sex, It is just the way I grow.

Grow however you feel most comfortable there are many styles and each person grows the way they feel is the best fit for them.
I have grown in many small and tight spaces and have developed this style over the years and have shown and taught it to others.
I am the first person to show this style and journal it in the forums but others have adopted it!

I wish you all the best with your grow, we all learn from others and by reading as many grow journals as you can!
We have some wonderful grower here at AFN, why not check out so grow by @St. Tom & @Vapo those guys grow some greta plants and are top people. If you find a grow you like the look of read every bit of it and always ask question, we all started at the same place - square one and progressed from there!
Welcome to the forums!:welcome::vibe:
:bighug::pass:
Arty
The thing is fem seeds can't be bread only crossed as you can't refine traits, also from my findings auto and photo are very different in this regard. Autos seem to need everything perfect and photos are more forgiving in the fact they handel stress better, I've been do some of this stuff breeding wise for 4yrs almost every day and have notes and more on this aswell as other random experiments like taking a seed that I found germing still attached@ caylax ( tail was sticking out) I took it off planted it now lots of people say a fresh seed can't be grown which I've grown more than a few, also a good read I will try to find articles but there is something called the alpha female and these plants are given a solution (the one I'm referring to is patented so don't know wat it is) the females self pollenate@ wk 2 wk3 depending on strain they say that the seeds produced are not only fem but identical to growing a clone as far as how consistent they are. Anyways @artyzan don't think I'm trying to be rude bc I'm not and have learned lots from you aswell as st.tom as u mentioned aswell as others.
 
The thing is fem seeds can't be bread only crossed as you can't refine traits, also from my findings auto and photo are very different in this regard. Autos seem to need everything perfect and photos are more forgiving in the fact they handle stress better, I've been do some of this stuff breeding wise for 4yrs almost every day and have notes and more on this as well as other random experiments like taking a seed that I found germing still attached@ calyx ( tail was sticking out) I took it off planted it now lots of people say a fresh seed can't be grown which I've grown more than a few, also a good read I will try to find articles but there is something called the alpha female and these plants are given a solution (the one I'm referring to is patented so don't know what it is) the females self pollinate @ wk 2 wk3 depending on strain they say that the seeds produced are not only fem but identical to growing a clone as far as how consistent they are. Anyways @artyzan don't think I'm trying to be rude bc I'm not and have learned lots from you as well as st.tom as u mentioned as well as others.
Female seeds can't be bred but feminised seeds are not female, they are feminised.
The climatic conditions as posted by dutch passion is a a way of making the seeds become female leaning seeds.
As time passes and the selective breeding of autos will make auto varieties more homogeneous it may stabilise their traits and abilities to deal with stress.
If we look back to the first recognized true auto "Lowryder" it is only around 10 years since it was released and I first grew it.
Sensi seeds did have "Ruderalis Skunk" a early maturing strain but wasn't fully auto they also created "Early Pearl", I think some canadian breeder had also been working with ruderalis at the time too but It was the joint Doctor who created the first true auto and through the Joint Doctor, Mossy created "Purple Jems"!
Fire me some articles brother I always happy to see new info and ways of doing things. I try to keep abreast of as much as I can. sometimes things can fall through the cracks in a persons personal knowledge!!
I take no offence and thanks for being so polite, that is what being a true AFNer is all about, finding a way to make your point bur always with courtesy!
I will PM you about something you mat find interesting!
Have yourself a great day buddy!:pass:
 
This osolating one of the places doing alpha feminized work for anyone interested it's a stress free way of making fem seeds https://www.ethosgenetics.com/
 
@arty zan Thank you for the wealth of info. I'm going with the 1L until sex. I'll be sure to keep a close watch on you:biggrin:
 
So how is it going bud hope all is well and you and your are staying safe I'm excited to see there progress anyways stay safe
 
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I'm going to get some plant tags so I can keep up with what is what.
 
I'm going to get some plant tags so I can keep up with what is what.
Damn bud they look great beautiful healthy plants I'm excited I can see they are all growing quick I got one last 4un that was long flowering so won t be using the seeds from her. Also ? how wide and deep is that clear tote thing and wat strain is in it I'm hoping the America pie cross adds some fruity terps and size to the silverback crack and should have a nice dense long cola that's one in currently growing bc I haven't yet and both times I grew it they were just really nice overall structure and easy feeding the pie x blue toof mom was all pie in overall structure with blue toof flavor and frost so that's one to watch anyway glad to see there doing well so far.
 
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