Indoor My take on PH management

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Hi folks,


I've gotten myself into a PH debate in another thread and wanted to try and break-free from that one and start afresh with what I personally see as the crutch of nearly all the PH arguments that occur on weed forums.

The argument seems to stem not from whether or not PH adjustment is necessary for some folks, but whether or not it's necessary for everyone.

I submit that it is impossible for me, you, or anyone else on a forum to say with any certainty whether or not another member needs to PH manage.

The reasons why I make this assertion is because none of us can know all of the relevant factors in someone else's grow so we can't be sure if we have all the information we need to make that call. We could make a good guess based on what we do know.. but can we apply that answer to everyone else too? I don't reckon we can because the next grower's conditions may be slightly different.

It seems to me that the only SAFE advice that one uf us can give another about PH'ing, is that some of us need to do it and others don't, and then explain our reasons for that.

I also submit that the moment that any one of us says to another:

A) You don't need to PH manage in soil
B) You always need to PH manage in soil

.. then we're giving out false and potentially grow-destroying advice, because some will need to and some won't depending on a whole range of issues aside from their nutes, water source or any other individual condition.


Now.. since my personal position on this is that I like to PH manage because it reduces risks of things going wrong in the soil, it stands-to-reason that my advice on PH management is that it isn't absolutely necessary for everyone, but that maintaining a level and balanced PH throughout a grow is very good practice.

Personally, depending on how I'm growing, sometimes I don't have to ph anything or even aerate my water, but other methods MUST be ph'd or it all goes to hell in my groom. The only person who can truly say what I need to do is me, and even then I have to say that I both need to and not need to ph at the same time!!


This is one of those issues where I believe I'm absolutely correct because of logic and science (still humbly I might add, not arrogantly) but if I'm not I'd love to be shown why not, as this debate has been central to my growing for a long time now.


Thoughts?

:peace:
 
dude just go read my response. it explains my evaluation and i stand by NORMAL TAP WATER within the ph range i gave without crazy amounts of additives is fine to not ph once you have the water source confirmed at normal.
 
This thread is actually separate from our discussion in the other thread, but if you think the assertions I've made in the OP are wrong.. by all means show me why because it would be useful to see some science that challenges them effectively.

:peace:
 
:smokebuds: Im going pass a joint of blue dream ease a lil of the tension i personally need to ph and aerate my water but then again ive only ran a couple bagssed and a couple of autos so i cant tell you form years+ exprience. BB yea your right in a way but your making genralized answer and a grow specific varible. All the varibles ranging from grower to grower should be enough to prove that yea everyones grow is going to be different so saying everyone needs to ph is wrong but on the same token when someone whos first starting off they dont pay any attention to ph or the water they are using.Most people like me and a few others like to mention and bring up the fact that you to have monitor your ph. Not everyone has to ph their water BUT EVRYONE MUST MONITOR THEIR PH. If you dont theres no way you will dial in your grow to its full potential. Reason is your plants will need to uptake various elements at various phs so at the very least if your ph isnt fluctuating from low to high or high to low to cover the plants uptake at certain phs your going to have problems no matter what. Be it cal/mag /phosros/ potassium your plant isnt going to be ale to absorb these. So if yoru tap water isnt fluctuating all the time, which growers do by adjusting ph, where as the water management company wants the water as consistent as possible so the ph range doesnt fluctuate that much. Hope some of this makes sense or someone can understand im floating on a cloud right now and idk if im making sense LOL. BLUE DREAM, now i see why people love SSH :smokebuds:
 
it would be useful to see some science that challenges them effectively
let's don't go and start getting science involved in this conversation... theories, ignoring science, are so much more fun to debate. :bong:
 
I'm not sure that just staking everything on "normal tap water" will be helpful to an inexperienced grower. As I mentioned in the other thread, when I add nutes to my ~7.5 water (which I believe most people would consider normal), I end up with a solution around 5. I've seen this with the FF Trio and GO Biothrive nutes. I do think the soil gives you some extra leeway, but it's not been my experience that you can water/feed continuously with 5 ph solution and never have problems. You might get by for a while, but when the lockout does hit, it's going to be far too severe to recover from easily. Then you're looking at flushing plants, adding lime, and even transplanting in drastic cases. All this stuff is hard to handle for new growers, and in my opinion they're much better off correcting things before they get way out of whack.

Ultimately you will never do yourself any harm by testing your inbound and outbound pH. If everything stays on track, that's great. But if it doesn't, you at least know that something isn't right and you can ask for expert advice. Of course as you gain experience you'll know more about your media, your water, your nutes, your strains, and how to read your plants. That's where growing becomes as much an art as a science, and a lot can be managed by feel. But newer growers tend to stress a lot more about any issues that arise, so tracking pH at least gives them something concrete to gauge what's happening with all the components of the grow.
 
let's don't go and start getting science involved in this conversation... theories, ignoring science, are so much more fun to debate. :bong:

Theories are a part of science mate :smokebuds:
 
I agree with you BigBuddha, i believe whatever can go wrong will go wrong. Checking the PH takes a few seconds and i'm sure it goes a long way.
I don't think BigBuddha is saying " if your not gonna PH manage don't bother growing" but doing so might be beneficial.
Sorry to interject...
:peace:
 
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