Gnome Automatics My Journey to ALF#5

[FullDuplex]

7 Day update on them. Just the big one tonight.

We have stopped stretch.....i think and looks like shes shifting into flower.

Now something to blow your mind/think about @Rev. Green Genes this might grab your attention too.
These are 2 gal cloth pots, and as you can see i didnt fill it all the way. The have a draw string to bring the bag in around the stem
to keep light off the top of the soil. This is next to a gal milk jug, and for those UK guys it will hold 4l just filled to the tip top.

As you can see there isnt much root mass for the size of this lady.....

 

[mohawk warrior]

Hohhhhh ho baby!!!
I got some catching up to do

 

[Rev. Green Genes]

I was shocked to see how small the root ball was on the big one I grew, and it wasn't in great shape either. the condition may be that I didn't tend to it till the next day or two. It sat in the rez with the pumps off. The stalk was huge, and the main roots were huge, but not much secondary roots compared other plants at all. Estimated size was a 12 inch wide 6 inch deep umbrella shaped fiber mass on massive main roots.

 

[Eclectic Elle]

Those drawstring fabric pots are dudey! Not seen them before. She's looking amazing FD!

 

[FullDuplex]

Quick update on the sisters

 

[FullDuplex]

Hohhhhh ho baby!!!
I got some catching up to do

Yes you do and i think that you have seen it but i am not sure. I am working at a farm and the ALF and the JEM are getting their day in commercial markets!!!!

I was shocked to see how small the root ball was on the big one I grew, and it wasn't in great shape either. the condition may be that I didn't tend to it till the next day or two. It sat in the rez with the pumps off. The stalk was huge, and the main roots were huge, but not much secondary roots compared other plants at all. Estimated size was a 12 inch wide 6 inch deep umbrella shaped fiber mass on massive main roots.

This is why i still think that there is something to do with the root system on these autos. I am going to figure it out, and im gonna need your help on this one mate. Im still divided on the fact that it could be root trigger or timing. I still have no idea but WE need to figure it out.

Given the stress that we put your big gal through it busted a few of my theories but that is ok, it keeps us learning. I think that it has something to deal with how the roots are treated

Those drawstring fabric pots are dudey! Not seen them before. She's looking amazing FD!

I love them they allow me to protect the top of the soil and keep that green shit from happening on the perlite.

 

[Rev. Green Genes]

Yes you do and i think that you have seen it but i am not sure. I am working at a farm and the ALF and the JEM are getting their day in commercial markets!!!!



This is why i still think that there is something to do with the root system on these autos. I am going to figure it out, and im gonna need your help on this one mate. Im still divided on the fact that it could be root trigger or timing. I still have no idea but WE need to figure it out.

Given the stress that we put your big gal through it busted a few of my theories but that is ok, it keeps us learning. I think that it has something to deal with how the roots are treated



I love them they allow me to protect the top of the soil and keep that green shit from happening on the perlite.

Oh you know me pretty well already don't ya? Give GG a mission and some kind words.... LOL... I see where this is headed! Ok. Here's what we do first. We need some data. We can set up a little experiment.

first experiment.
5, 3 gallon pots
5, 1 gallon pots
same soil, light, water source, nutes, environment.
grow out each pot and harvest 1 of each size pot every two weeks and measure root:shoot ratio
cut stalk at crown (ground level) weigh and measure the roots and shoots separately.
gently wash roots in a 5 gallon bucket before weighing them!

This will tell us:

at what stage she is in root growth, and what stage she is in shoot growth.
How much energy is going to roots vs. shoots and when.
If the roots continue to grow when she transitions to flower.
If the pot size has an effect on biomass accumulation.
If the pot size has effects on the flower transition time.

This allows to you to harvest one RIGHT at the day they start to flower, and measure the root:shoot weights again.
You will have a target for your theory. At X weeks she will be at X stage, and hypothesis is she will flower then every time.

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Am I missing anything? We could learn enough basic information to form a second experiment. If she does follow that guideline or hypothesis for flower transition time than we have enough data to explain the basic systems that are causing it, and drill down farther till find it's original trigger..

 

[mohawk warrior]

Oh you know me pretty well already don't ya? Give GG a mission and some kind words.... LOL... I see where this is headed! Ok. Here's what we do first. We need some data. We can set up a little experiment.

first experiment.
5, 3 gallon pots
5, 1 gallon pots
same soil, light, water source, nutes, environment.
grow out each pot and harvest 1 of each size pot every two weeks and measure root:shoot ratio
cut stalk at crown (ground level) weigh and measure the roots and shoots separately.
gently wash roots in a 5 gallon bucket before weighing them!

This will tell us:

at what stage she is in root growth, and what stage she is in shoot growth.
How much energy is going to roots vs. shoots and when.
If the roots continue to grow when she transitions to flower.
If the pot size has an effect on biomass accumulation.
If the pot size has effects on the flower transition time.

This allows to you to harvest one RIGHT at the day they start to flower, and measure the root:shoot weights again.
You will have a target for your theory. At X weeks she will be at X stage, and hypothesis is she will flower then every time.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

Am I missing anything? We could learn enough basic information to form a second experiment. If she does follow that guideline or hypothesis for flower transition time than we have enough data to explain the basic systems that are causing it, and drill down farther till find it's original trigger..

Spot on!! Maybe increase starting subjects in case of unknown external factors.. I.e. maybe one gets stressed and doesn’t look as well, not an accurate sample..

 

[Rev. Green Genes]

Spot on!! Maybe increase starting subjects in case of unknown external factors.. I.e. maybe one gets stressed and doesn’t look as well, not an accurate sample..

I agree, but logistics may become a concern, that takes a lot of resources to pull off. If we could get some friends on board, and get 5 people to run the experiment, we could really have something. @Waira @Dr. Babnik @pop22

 

[pop22]

I'm game to ex[eriment, but it will have to wait till I can get the greenhouse going. I'll have space for aq few pots out there. Tents are mostly booked for about 2 years........

However, I see smaller pots not shortening flowering time. I think below 1 gallon, there is a limit to the soonest it will flower. I too have suspected larger pots will flower later when the root mass hits critical size. This test sounds interesting. A lot of possible variables though also. Strains may vary. Would be great, though likely not feasible, if we all grew the same strain.