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Part of it is all that concrete! Most of it is just the lay of the land. Native Americans called the area land of smoke or something on that line.
The amount of concrete is staggering. I'm from outside the US originally, so all of this is pretty amazing but highways with eight lanes on each side! Even with all of that, there are still traffic jams.
"land of smoke" - Humbolt county, perhaps? :420:
 
The amount of concrete is staggering. I'm from outside the US originally, so all of this is pretty amazing but highways with eight lanes on each side! Even with all of that, there are still traffic jams.
"land of smoke" - Humbolt county, perhaps? :420:
It was the LA area. I read it somewhere as a kid.
 
"LA is massive" - agreed. It was an eye opener for me when I moved here (I was in NorCal before). Something like 100 cities within the county lines. Incredible.
Triple digits is tough to deal with and not much humidity either. "more equipment" can solve the problem but then you get back to 34¢ a kilowatt.
Is your grow in a garage or indoors? My tent's in an unheated garage. I'm in north Orange County so it's not as mild as the beach cities and it's not as hot as places like Anaheim, Chico, or the IE.

I'm totally inside now, but only for the past few weeks due to us moving. But I feel your pain. In our previous place, I had a tent in the unheated/uncooled garage that I also worked out of. Basically didn't grow out there past May. And then my indoors veg tent wasn't a ton better because we only had wall/window ACs and I didn't want to run the one in that room too often during the height of summer. So mid 90s temps in the indoor tent wasn't uncommon.

Now, I still have an unheated/cooled garage that I work out of. But it is in the front of the house, basically on the street and the garage door is the only entrance. So I moved exclusively indoors since I don't like neighbors up in my business. And here we actually have central AC/heat. I'm in the Valley. And I'm actually from Texas where I was no stranger to heat. But figured it would be cooler here. Not so much.

I never had much issue with the garage tent in the winter. But summer is awful. One thing you can do in summer, if you haven't, is get a decent swamp cooler. I needed one because I'm actually a printer and need moisture in the air so my inks don't evaporate and dry in my screens. It does a decent job at cooling the garage by about 10-15 degrees and adds a decent amount of humidity to the air. Way cheaper to run than AC which is probably really wasteful in a lot of garages.
 
Part of it is all that concrete! Most of it is just the lay of the land. Native Americans called the area land of smoke or something on that line.

Yeah the concrete is amazing, in a not so good way. I read somewhere that you could cool the city by 10-20 degrees (F) if they were to repave the asphalt in white rather than black.
 
The amount of concrete is staggering. I'm from outside the US originally, so all of this is pretty amazing but highways with eight lanes on each side! Even with all of that, there are still traffic jams.
"land of smoke" - Humbolt county, perhaps? :420:

Yeah, this thread could easily devolve into a whole other topic. But something has to give here. And probably will. Just not sure what, or how, it will be. Unless you've inherited a home, or a lot of money, 60% of L.A county (last I checked) were renters. Rents have skyrocketed due to that. And they can't/won't build any fucking houses.
 
Yeah, this thread could easily devolve into a whole other topic. But something has to give here. And probably will. Just not sure what, or how, it will be. Unless you've inherited a home, or a lot of money, 60% of L.A county (last I checked) were renters. Rents have skyrocketed due to that. And they can't/won't build any fucking houses.
I've been in CA since 2002. First in NorCal for Apple and then to SoCal, Orange County for a local company. CA was really something in 2002'ish but my, my how things have changed.

Housing prices are impossible. I checked my houses on Zillow over the weekend - their estimated price for this place went up - I shit you not - $39k. That's insane. It's a 1500 sq ft house in a community (gated but not pinky raised gated) in north OC. A big part of that is from money from PRC. Where I live is 48% Asian, mainly Chinese and many homes here are second homes and have been bought with cash.

It's all driven by gubmint but the folks here like gubmint (don't forget, these clowns voted to built a high speed train between SDO and SFO) but, at some point, the music will stop and it's going to be really interesting. CA has many structural problems that will catch up to it. I'm thinking it will take another couple of decades but, at some point, the destruction and/or flight of the middle class will make CA much like resort destinations - the very wealthy and the "service class". That bifurcation leads to a dysfunctional society. One author who has influenced my thinking is Joel Kotkin.

Just my tuppence.
 
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Yeah the concrete is amazing, in a not so good way. I read somewhere that you could cool the city by 10-20 degrees (F) if they were to repave the asphalt in white rather than black.
That would tend to reflect more light but, frankly it's not an issue. Check out Michael Crichton's "State of Fear". There's a message there. :-)

"urban heat island" effect can be significant and is one of the reasons why airport temp data is so misleading. Check out this page re. CA climate. The relative change for Pasadena and Fairmont should be pretty much the same since they're only 40 miles apart and have the same climate type (Mediterranean with warm summer) but UHI is pushing temps up in Pasadena faster than in Fairmont. Interesting to see the actual data, for me anyway.
 
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