New Grower Mephisto and Night Owl in Living Organic Coco

Flat out wrong, with all due respect @wwonka ..... @IDontExist stated and this is a direct quote:

“Circulation was also too low for the first week and I’m pretty sure I dialed up the lights too slowly. As you can see everyone is a bit behind where they should be and 2-3 I strongly considered pulling and starting over. These pictures were taken 10-12, 17 days above ground.”

Based on his post ..... amount of monies invested into the grow and throw in the 40 minute trip .... suggestion was simply concurring with his statement, yes start over ......

For simplicity I would suggest a different grow method .....

So here we are a few days later and I’m wondering how this current Grow is going? Time is most precious, we all wanna make the most of it, right?

Peace,
MOB

Here are pictures of the 2-3 I was thinking about pulling, taken on 10-12 as they seem to be on the way to recovering. Believe it or not 5 days or so before this picture they looked much worse.

I'm waiting for an update on today, will post when I get that.

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Considering the grower is far from his grow the best option for that would be something with a greater capacity for stored water and nutrients. We could all tell him to stop doing what he is doing and start doing it our way. Personally I think that DWC buckets with top off valves and a reservoir would be ideal for a remote location.

I think what MIGHT be the issue is that you did not offer advice per se based on improving his current situation. You said I can show you the way if you listen to me and follow my advice. That’s like someone asking a mechanic if something is wrong with their brakes, and him telling them their car is a piece of shit and he only thinks xxx cars worth it.

You clearly would like people to respect what you have to say about growing. But you might be going about getting that respect the wrong way. If you don’t find wisdom in what I have just said that is fine.

To @IDontExist if you are not aware you can block posts from people here on AFN if you feel they are a bit aggressive or you don’t. There is a live stoner area and grow battle area where a lot of great growers tend to hang out. If you see someone that grows in similar conditions as you you can tag them into your grow and ask them to check it out. The only etiquette is to not spam others threads with pics of your stuff unless you ask first.

It may take a few weeks until you find a like minded group that grows and thinks like you do but they are here lurking somewhere. Also you can always post in the infirmary just to ask for tips. Some of the pros can direct you to other members that they know are masters of whatever medium you.

relax
Be patient
Enjoy yourself

and grow some damn good bud.

:vibes:

Thanks man, I appreciate the kind words. I try to have a thick skin and believe most people on here have good intentions so I welcome as much input as I can get. I agree that advice on my current situation would be much more useful but I like hearing about the new stuff too. I've been looking into the EarthBox and that seems like a pretty cool option in the future.

I found a few guys with similar styles through this thread I started a while back, https://www.autoflower.org/threads/anybody-grow-like-mr-canucks-grow-from-youtube.69880/ I tagged some of them in but looks like they don't get on much. I looked into DWC but it seemed like a bit too much of a headache, I thought the Blumats with a fairly large reservoir would hopefully be easier.
 
Blu Mats should suit you well. Those that use them will tel you to look out for any light leaks that could cause algae and clog things up. I started with DWC and like you I researched the hell out of slot of different styles. I’ve been surprised how easy it has been for me. But I setup to make it that way. Everyone finally settles in a style of growing that suits their own needs and that they get the most enjoyment out of. Some people like the technical stuff and can run every piece of equipment from the phone. Other guys are complete masters of soil ecology and have PhD in organic growing. Some guys grow with whatever light came out yesterday and a whole lot grow great bud with HPS or T5.
It looks as though your plants are doing fine. And you have a nice clean setup so I see green in your future.

As far as traffic goes. Some of us bums have no other social media so we troll here constantly. Others have 40 social accounts and roll by every so often. But eventually everyone rolls through.

FB
 
Considering the grower is far from his grow the best option for that would be something with a greater capacity for stored water and nutrients. We could all tell him to stop doing what he is doing and start doing it our way. Personally I think that DWC buckets with top off valves and a reservoir would be ideal for a remote location.

I think what MIGHT be the issue is that you did not offer advice per se based on improving his current situation. You said I can show you the way if you listen to me and follow my advice. That’s like someone asking a mechanic if something is wrong with their brakes, and him telling them their car is a piece of shit and he only thinks xxx cars worth it.

You clearly would like people to respect what you have to say about growing. But you might be going about getting that respect the wrong way. If you don’t find wisdom in what I have just said that is fine.

To @IDontExist if you are not aware you can block posts from people here on AFN if you feel they are a bit aggressive or you don’t. There is a live stoner area and grow battle area where a lot of great growers tend to hang out. If you see someone that grows in similar conditions as you you can tag them into your grow and ask them to check it out. The only etiquette is to not spam others threads with pics of your stuff unless you ask first.

It may take a few weeks until you find a like minded group that grows and thinks like you do but they are here lurking somewhere. Also you can always post in the infirmary just to ask for tips. Some of the pros can direct you to other members that they know are masters of whatever medium you.

relax
Be patient
Enjoy yourself

and grow some damn good bud.

:vibes:
There is nothing wrong with having a Blumat set up with a large reservoir. I have done it myself more than once at a remote location. The problem is that us older growers don't see the point in wasting time. Sure you can limp your way through a grow. Or you can start over and do things differently so the plants start off on the right path. These plants are 4 weeks old and look like 10 days old. Autos don't typically do well at a 4 week bad start. I personally agree with MOB. But that is because they are so far behind and I have the experience in Coco to know how these plants will do with out proper feeding. Starting over is a valid answer and one to strongly consider. I have offered a few options. Like add Calmag and Changing the pH. But dumping 2-3 bad plants to start fresh is the best option. Keep some on the experiment, and stay a few new ro see how they do. But to keep all plants on the current path is not advised based upon the age and current size/health. Peace slowandeasy
 
It looks as though your plants are doing fine. And you have a nice clean setup so I see green in your future.


FB
We as growers should be honest with each other. We shouldn't be telling people their plants look good, when they clearly dont. He is here asking for help, and being honest is the best way to help. His plants are not doing fine. Sticking it out is only one of the options that should be considered. For learning purposes I would pick the strongest few to keep going and toss the rest. You can run 2 separate reservoirs and 2 different feeds. Or try Soil and use the same reservoir. These plants will not yield well and will take weeks longer that they should. If he starts a few new ones in a better medium, they may finish about the same time. And if grown correctly they will look, smell, and yield much better. That would be better than putting all of them throught 8-20 more weeks of growing. Just my opinion. Good luck peace, slow
 
There is nothing wrong with having a Blumat set up with a large reservoir. I have done it myself more than once at a remote location. The problem is that us older growers don't see the point in wasting time. Sure you can limp your way through a grow. Or you can start over and do things differently so the plants start off on the right path. These plants are 4 weeks old and look like 10 days old. Autos don't typically do well at a 4 week bad start. I personally agree with MOB. But that is because they are so far behind and I have the experience in Coco to know how these plants will do with out proper feeding. Starting over is a valid answer and one to strongly consider. I have offered a few options. Like add Calmag and Changing the pH. But dumping 2-3 bad plants to start fresh is the best option. Keep some on the experiment, and stay a few new ro see how they do. But to keep all plants on the current path is not advised based upon the age and current size/health. Peace slowandeasy

Here are some pictures from today, 10-16, that is 21 days since they broke through the surface. I've been reading through your White Crack grow and with my novice eye it looks like most of my plants are 6 days or less behind that one. Think I'm going to keep and limping and hopefully I'll surprise you! If not, hopefully you're not too into "I told you so"s. Looking at these pictures they do seem a bit yellow though as you mentioned before...

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With the lights and exhaust running the temp has been a little higher and the humidity is quite a bit lower than I would like to see, around 80* and just over 40% humidity. You can see the huge difference the lights and exhaust make when they come on at 0500, that is with 2 small humidifiers running.
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Here are some pictures from today, 10-16, that is 21 days since they broke through the surface. I've been reading through your White Crack grow and with my novice eye it looks like most of my plants are 6 days or less behind that one. Think I'm going to keep and limping and hopefully I'll surprise you! If not, hopefully you're not too into "I told you so"s. Looking at these pictures they do seem a bit yellow though as you mentioned before...

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Some of them look better. All of them look pale. Lights can cause it look more pale, but they look a little too pale to me. Do you have bugs? That can cause list of issues. If you have gnats, you need to address that issue I see yellow stickies. How did you prep your Coco from day 1? To me it looks extremely dry. If you didn't prep your Coco, that could also be an issue. Personally the 3 you considered tossing, I would, they are way behind in my eyes. And replace those 3 with new seeds. The nicer ones are a week behind, but might do better. I would buy some Organic Calmag and try to prep your Coco with 5ml per gal if you are still wanting to do "Organic Coco" . Your Coco in that pot looks bone dry on top. Im sure it is more moist below, however looking that dry makes me assume it wasn't every hydrated properly from day 1. Too of Dry Coco is not good and can cause issues. Let me in on how you prepped your Coco. You said you overwatered before? Tell me about your early watering routine. That alone can cause you plenty of problems. Proper moisture level is the single most important part of early plant growth. Maybe we can help fix that issue for next time? 5 gal is a lot of Coco for a seedling, especially if you are not properly prepared. Good luck slowandeasy
 
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@Frenjamin Banklin good point about DWC and I’m saying the same about SIP (sub irrigated planter), which I make a case for here:

With a sub irrigated planter https://earthbox.com/earthbox-junior-container-gardening-system you simply fill the planter with LOS - Living Organic Soil - like KIS Original Blend https://www.kisorganics.com/products/kis-organics-water-only-soil-mix and add water to your container - That’s it ..... No nutrients to mix - no PH water worries - No formulas to follow AND you can automate your watering (under $20) so in theory you could stay away 3-4 days with no worries https://earthbox.com/earthboxr-automatic-watering-system-expansion-kit .... Soil cost is $45 and planter cost is under $30 PLUS Shipping AND you could experiment and do just one or two SIP Containers and still stay with the coco grow in balance of the tent - this is basic and you could add a few amendments, if you like, but what’s not to like?

Perhaps I read between the lines in the original post - and perhaps straightforward and to the point, agree, but what I believed is:

Here is a guy who spent a ton of time, money and effort partly based on a heck of a grower / promoter who has got it down, no doubt ....... Problem is @IDontExist he has a different set of growing conditions and challenges, and then add in distance / time issue so I simply offered my help .....

I do believe I explained I could be of little help with coco other than environmental ...... but having said that both of us and others goals are:

:headbang::headbang::headbang:

Offer help to @IDontExist to Grow the biggest Flippin Buds Ever!

Peace,
MOB

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When I was looking at the EarthBox I was thinking my biggest issue with it was the 1.5 gallon reservoir, that automatic watering expansion is pretty cool. I wonder if it would work with a reservoir or if it has to be a spigot. I'm pretty sure at least a couple of these will be utilized my next run.
 
Some of them look better. All of them look pale. Lights can cause it look more pale, but they look a little too pale to me. Do you have bugs? That can cause list of issues. If you have gnats, you need to address that issue I see yellow stickies. How did you prep your Coco from day 1? To me it looks extremely dry. If you didn't prep your Coco, that could also be an issue. Personally the 3 you considered tossing, I would, they are way behind in my eyes. And replace those 3 with new seeds. The nicer ones are a week behind, but might do better. I would buy some Organic Calmag and try to prep your Coco with 5ml per gal if you are still wanting to do "Organic Coco" . Your Coco in that pot looks bone dry on top. Im sure it is more moist below, however looking that dry makes me assume it wasn't every hydrated properly from day 1. Too of Dry Coco is not good and can cause issues. Let me in on how you prepped your Coco. You said you overwatered before? Tell me about your early watering routine. That alone can cause you plenty of problems. Proper moisture level is the single most important part of early plant growth. Maybe we can help fix that issue for next time? 5 gal is a lot of Coco for a seedling, especially if you are not properly prepared. Good luck slowandeasy

Yes on the bugs, I think they're gnats, they look a lot like fruit flies. I was short like 2 and a half pots so I grabbed some bagged coco from the grow shop that must have had them. There's not many and they seemed to be limited to the 2-3 pots. I have some neem oil but have been hesitant to use it because of the few numbers I'm afraid to do more harm than good.

I re hydrated the coco with dechlorinated tap water and mixed in the dry amendments. Like 3 days later I put that into pots and into the tent to warm up, next day I made up the pots I was short with the amended grow shop coco, Mother Earth I believe, and direct planted all the seeds. I list the main coco type, ratios and amendments in my very first post.

When I first planted the seeds the coco was too wet, like 57 mbars. After that I probably let it dry almost all the way out and just watered lightly around the plant in increasing circles. Now with the Blumats going most of them are reading just over 100 when the probe is placed just outside where it appears wet on the surface. Next time I'm going to start in cups or small pots at my house so I can take much better care of them the first couple weeks.
 
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