Mars fc and fce driver changed

Anyone? I told them how can they even compete with Spider farmer then? At least let you pay to upgrade the driver. Having a no name brand driver on say a $7-800 light is a joke and makes me nervous.

Is this is a post to speculate how companies do business? I mean shouldn't that be Mars decision what components they use? Ever watch Shark Tank? lol... reducing costs of producing goods while putting out the same quality goods is a big part of manufacturing :d5:

Innovative how? Nervous because a cheap driver can have electrical issues which could in turn leaf to fire.

Even high end electrical components can still pose a fire risk. Is the new driver known or prone to failure?
 
Is this is a post to speculate how companies do business? I mean shouldn't that be Mars decision what components they use? Ever watch Shark Tank? lol... reducing costs of producing goods while putting out the same quality goods is a big part of manufacturing :d5:



Even high end electrical components can still pose a fire risk. Is the new driver known or prone to failure?
Yes it's their decision what parts to use. I work in manufacturing and importing I understand all the layman points above. They also lowered the cost so if they are just passing the savings on to the customer they are just making a cheaper light and your advove points would be irrelevant. And I would think most people would agree changing the driver from mean well or inventronics to their house brand driver makes the entire product "not" the "same quality goods." Is it prone to failure or fire? Who knows it appears to be new. I don't want to be the one to find out. If I were them I would offer it with this driver at one price point and at another with a known quality driver. I don't value those savings. The only reason the fce model was created was because of supply chain issues due to COVID. So the fc and fce have the same driver and the fc is supposed to be "better" diodes but then you run them with this driver lol. It's like putting ultra premium tires on a hooptie. If they want to use their driver on the cheap ts series that's cool I get it.
 
This is my driver of my fce3000
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Innovative how? Nervous because a cheap driver can have electrical issues which could in turn leaf to fire.
Innovative - "featuring new methods; advanced and original." Mars, as far as I know, is the only company to offer customers the option of a name brand driver or a "housebound", let's call it that, driver at a lower price. Perhaps other companies off that but, I'm not aware of any who are. As a result, I describe that as "innovative".

There's cost and business risk. They have to either seek out and source the new component or they have to develop it in house. If they offer it, they need to manage how that option is perceived. Some prospects may think that a less expensive driver is of unacceptable quality so they need to develop marketing materials to deal with that and they need to train their staff on how to handle inquiries on that topic.

If it was outsourced, they need to manage that supply chain. If it was in house, they need to manage the supply chain of raw materials. In either case, they need to have a plan to deal with the inventory/inventory of raw materials in the event that the new driver does not sell.

"Nervous because a cheap driver can have electrical issues which could in turn leaf to fire."
It sounds like you're convinced that the cheaper driver is more likely to have electrical issues which could cause a fire. Is there any history of that or is that just a perception? In either case, that bias is something Mars should be savvy enough to address and allay.

I have no reason to believe their driver will cause more fires and I think there's a strong argument that we'll see that they've created a product that is fundamentally the same as the name brand. On one hand do we even know that it's not just a MeanWell OEM product that's been rebadged?

Drivers are simple technology which will tend to decrease the likelihood of a faulty product. Mars knows that, if there was a fire, Mars would be liable to be sued for damages and, though I haven't penciled out the numbers, the cost of even defending themselves in a lawsuit would probably far outweigh the increased revenue from sales of the cheaper driver. Further, they have to be aware that if word were to get out that the in house driver had caused a fire, that would have an immediate and significant or, perhaps, devastating impact on their sales. As a result, I would expect that Mars would take steps to ensure that they created a product that was not unsafe.

If you truly feel that the in house driver might result in a fire, it's great that Mars is offering it as an option. Buyers have a choice and more product choices tends to result in more buyers who are more satisfied with their purchase.

How would you react if Mars dropped the MeanWell option and went only with the house brand driver? If the price for the in house driver was the same as the price for the MeanWell, would you still perceive that the in house driver might result in a fire? Those are questions that might help understand the source of your reaction. And they're extra credit questions, BTW. ;-)

We all have biases and weight the tradeoffs when making all sorts of decisions, including purchasing decisions. While I'm not particularly fond of Mars as a company, I'm glad to see that they're taking this step.

One, it helps potential buyers save few bucks and I've read more than one posting about a grower who's tight on cash. Having this option would make it easier for a grower to afford a grow light from Mars.

Second, some buyers might not be able to afford the light without the in house option so having the lower priced driver allows Mars to make the sale, resulting in more revenue for Mars and manufacturers making a profit is a good thing.

Third, it's a move that may force other grow light companies to offer it as an option. That would save buyers across the LED grow light market some money.

Finally, it might poke MeanWell to improve their products or find a way to reduce their prices to win back those sales
 
Innovative - "featuring new methods; advanced and original." Mars, as far as I know, is the only company to offer customers the option of a name brand driver or a "housebound", let's call it that, driver at a lower price. Perhaps other companies off that but, I'm not aware of any who are. As a result, I describe that as "innovative".

There's cost and business risk. They have to either seek out and source the new component or they have to develop it in house. If they offer it, they need to manage how that option is perceived. Some prospects may think that a less expensive driver is of unacceptable quality so they need to develop marketing materials to deal with that and they need to train their staff on how to handle inquiries on that topic.

If it was outsourced, they need to manage that supply chain. If it was in house, they need to manage the supply chain of raw materials. In either case, they need to have a plan to deal with the inventory/inventory of raw materials in the event that the new driver does not sell.

"Nervous because a cheap driver can have electrical issues which could in turn leaf to fire."
It sounds like you're convinced that the cheaper driver is more likely to have electrical issues which could cause a fire. Is there any history of that or is that just a perception? In either case, that bias is something Mars should be savvy enough to address and allay.

I have no reason to believe their driver will cause more fires and I think there's a strong argument that we'll see that they've created a product that is fundamentally the same as the name brand. On one hand do we even know that it's not just a MeanWell OEM product that's been rebadged?

Drivers are simple technology which will tend to decrease the likelihood of a faulty product. Mars knows that, if there was a fire, Mars would be liable to be sued for damages and, though I haven't penciled out the numbers, the cost of even defending themselves in a lawsuit would probably far outweigh the increased revenue from sales of the cheaper driver. Further, they have to be aware that if word were to get out that the in house driver had caused a fire, that would have an immediate and significant or, perhaps, devastating impact on their sales. As a result, I would expect that Mars would take steps to ensure that they created a product that was not unsafe.

If you truly feel that the in house driver might result in a fire, it's great that Mars is offering it as an option. Buyers have a choice and more product choices tends to result in more buyers who are more satisfied with their purchase.

How would you react if Mars dropped the MeanWell option and went only with the house brand driver? If the price for the in house driver was the same as the price for the MeanWell, would you still perceive that the in house driver might result in a fire? Those are questions that might help understand the source of your reaction. And they're extra credit questions, BTW. ;-)

We all have biases and weight the tradeoffs when making all sorts of decisions, including purchasing decisions. While I'm not particularly fond of Mars as a company, I'm glad to see that they're taking this step.

One, it helps potential buyers save few bucks and I've read more than one posting about a grower who's tight on cash. Having this option would make it easier for a grower to afford a grow light from Mars.

Second, some buyers might not be able to afford the light without the in house option so having the lower priced driver allows Mars to make the sale, resulting in more revenue for Mars and manufacturers making a profit is a good thing.

Third, it's a move that may force other grow light companies to offer it as an option. That would save buyers across the LED grow light market some money.

Finally, it might poke MeanWell to improve their products or find a way to reduce their prices to win back those sales

That was a very well thought out answer!
 
Innovative - "featuring new methods; advanced and original." Mars, as far as I know, is the only company to offer customers the option of a name brand driver or a "housebound", let's call it that, driver at a lower price. Perhaps other companies off that but, I'm not aware of any who are. As a result, I describe that as "innovative".

There's cost and business risk. They have to either seek out and source the new component or they have to develop it in house. If they offer it, they need to manage how that option is perceived. Some prospects may think that a less expensive driver is of unacceptable quality so they need to develop marketing materials to deal with that and they need to train their staff on how to handle inquiries on that topic.

If it was outsourced, they need to manage that supply chain. If it was in house, they need to manage the supply chain of raw materials. In either case, they need to have a plan to deal with the inventory/inventory of raw materials in the event that the new driver does not sell.

"Nervous because a cheap driver can have electrical issues which could in turn leaf to fire."
It sounds like you're convinced that the cheaper driver is more likely to have electrical issues which could cause a fire. Is there any history of that or is that just a perception? In either case, that bias is something Mars should be savvy enough to address and allay.

I have no reason to believe their driver will cause more fires and I think there's a strong argument that we'll see that they've created a product that is fundamentally the same as the name brand. On one hand do we even know that it's not just a MeanWell OEM product that's been rebadged?

Drivers are simple technology which will tend to decrease the likelihood of a faulty product. Mars knows that, if there was a fire, Mars would be liable to be sued for damages and, though I haven't penciled out the numbers, the cost of even defending themselves in a lawsuit would probably far outweigh the increased revenue from sales of the cheaper driver. Further, they have to be aware that if word were to get out that the in house driver had caused a fire, that would have an immediate and significant or, perhaps, devastating impact on their sales. As a result, I would expect that Mars would take steps to ensure that they created a product that was not unsafe.

If you truly feel that the in house driver might result in a fire, it's great that Mars is offering it as an option. Buyers have a choice and more product choices tends to result in more buyers who are more satisfied with their purchase.

How would you react if Mars dropped the MeanWell option and went only with the house brand driver? If the price for the in house driver was the same as the price for the MeanWell, would you still perceive that the in house driver might result in a fire? Those are questions that might help understand the source of your reaction. And they're extra credit questions, BTW. ;-)

We all have biases and weight the tradeoffs when making all sorts of decisions, including purchasing decisions. While I'm not particularly fond of Mars as a company, I'm glad to see that they're taking this step.

One, it helps potential buyers save few bucks and I've read more than one posting about a grower who's tight on cash. Having this option would make it easier for a grower to afford a grow light from Mars.

Second, some buyers might not be able to afford the light without the in house option so having the lower priced driver allows Mars to make the sale, resulting in more revenue for Mars and manufacturers making a profit is a good thing.

Third, it's a move that may force other grow light companies to offer it as an option. That would save buyers across the LED grow light market some money.

Finally, it might poke MeanWell to improve their products or find a way to reduce their prices to win back those sales
You realize the whole point of my initial posting is that they did drop the name brand and only offer the house brand. There is no option. I'm all for offering both. That's the problem, they don't. I've agreed several times yet you continue to quote me. Of course I don't know if it's a POS driver, rebranded meanwell or a better product. That's just it, I have no idea and don't want to be the guinea pig. I also don't like how they just shipped a light with the house brand driver and said nothing. I think if a company changes a major component on an existing product it needs to be listed somewhere noticable. Grow light depot didn't know this either and they still a ton of lights so there listing is totally misleading.
 
Yea I assume you've had this at least a few weeks. It now congress with the Mars hydro driver.
I have had it for like 4 months. Too bad they changed the driver. Thats one reason I got this light. My buddy has the fc3000 and its a year or more old and it came with a moso or something like that as a driver. Same brand that comes on there ts1000. As i got one of those as well.
 
I have had it for like 4 months. Too bad they changed the driver. Thats one reason I got this light. My buddy has the fc3000 and its a year or more old and it came with a moso or something like that as a driver. Same brand that comes on there ts1000. As i got one of those as well.
Right. I get the light and it has a Mars hydro driver I can't even find anything on a Google search. They changed their website after I ordered to say it covers with this driver and the price dropped. Lol so I pay old price for the new driver that's obviously cheaper as that's the only change and then price drops.
 
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