New Grower IS THIS ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT??

[Waira]

hey Bud! I'll see if I can get @Waximus over here to help you as well,... he's doing fine work with coco drip, which I've never done,.. that said...
-- res' pH is low, I think it should be about 5.8,...? ... in solution, the pH is super critical, because the nutrient availability range is nowhere near as robust as in soil,... small changes can make a big difference-- keep in mind, pH is a logarithmic scale, i.e., 6.0 to 5.0 is a tenfold increase in free H+..!!
--- for the plant in normal light (LED light FUBAR's diagnostics, so always take pics in normal light, even if you use the flash)--> the damage I see looks pH related, from a sudden shift that is... symptoms appeared very fast, right? They are a sort of temporary defc. symptom, but it's more complicated than that in truth,... It certainly isn't lensing burn from water/nute splash, and high intensity light (HID/LED),... also, the newer growth seems unaffected, so you seem to have steered the pH back in range again,... the wavy/rolled edges could be a number of things, nothing alarming here; T and RH are fine,... young leaves can grow oddly sometimes as well, nothing to grind over! Lights should be about 20" away for young plants,...
--- how evenly watered is the entire container? Is is moist top to bottom, side to side? This is the trouble with drip systems not dialed in right,...uneven moisture levels will mess with root development, pH, etc.,... you don't want a wet core and dry sides! If needs be, water around the edges to even moisture out all around,... get your fingers or a moisture meter down in there and see what's up,... hefting the pot is a good way to tell, once you've "calibrated" yourself feeling the difference between a dry pot and a well watered one,...if it feels like it lost significant weight, it needs watering, even if it's just along the sides...
-- yes! calibrations should be done often, with quality fresh standard solutions (they can go bad too; store in the fridge between calibrations,... use a 7.0 standard,...be super careful about cross contamination,... rinse probe parts before and after every use, and use a proper storage solution in the cap when not in use,... there things are so easy to f' up and lose accuracy with! I highly recommend getting a soil pH probe, for direct in-media measurement--- the Accurate 8 is a good choice for the $$, plus it has a built-in moisture meter

 

[Bud Wiser]

hey Bud! I'll see if I can get @Waximus over here to help you as well,... he's doing fine work with coco drip, which I've never done,.. that said...
-- res' pH is low, I think it should be about 5.8,...? ... in solution, the pH is super critical, because the nutrient availability range is nowhere near as robust as in soil,... small changes can make a big difference-- keep in mind, pH is a logarithmic scale, i.e., 6.0 to 5.0 is a tenfold increase in free H+..!!
--- for the plant in normal light (LED light FUBAR's diagnostics, so always take pics in normal light, even if you use the flash)--> the damage I see looks pH related, from a sudden shift that is... symptoms appeared very fast, right? They are a sort of temporary defc. symptom, but it's more complicated than that in truth,... It certainly isn't lensing burn from water/nute splash, and high intensity light (HID/LED),... also, the newer growth seems unaffected, so you seem to have steered the pH back in range again,... the wavy/rolled edges could be a number of things, nothing alarming here; T and RH are fine,... young leaves can grow oddly sometimes as well, nothing to grind over! Lights should be about 20" away for young plants,...
--- how evenly watered is the entire container? Is is moist top to bottom, side to side? This is the trouble with drip systems not dialed in right,...uneven moisture levels will mess with root development, pH, etc.,... you don't want a wet core and dry sides! If needs be, water around the edges to even moisture out all around,... get your fingers or a moisture meter down in there and see what's up,... hefting the pot is a good way to tell, once you've "calibrated" yourself feeling the difference between a dry pot and a well watered one,...if it feels like it lost significant weight, it needs watering, even if it's just along the sides...
-- yes! calibrations should be done often, with quality fresh standard solutions (they can go bad too; store in the fridge between calibrations,... use a 7.0 standard,...be super careful about cross contamination,... rinse probe parts before and after every use, and use a proper storage solution in the cap when not in use,... there things are so easy to f' up and lose accuracy with! I highly recommend getting a soil pH probe, for direct in-media measurement--- the Accurate 8 is a good choice for the $$, plus it has a built-in moisture meter [emoji106]

Thanks for the info.......very much needed....Prior to me flushing the core was wetter than the sides...I have been looking at some watering rings for my drip system to distribute the water more evenly while covering more real estate. Im gonna put the soil PH and Wetness meter as well.....great idea! Just set my watering schedule to 3 times a day so that should help in spreading the moisture to the sides of the pots. Ive just started PHing to 5.7/5.8ish so hopefully within the next week or so the plants will adjust.....

 

[Bud Wiser]

This the only plant out of 12 that seem to have not recovered....but again....its only day 2 after the flush.

 

[Waira]

.... damage won't reverse in this case, we're looking for a halt to progression! Let's see what brother Waxi' says here later,...

 

[Waximus]

Howdy, @Bud Wiser :smoking:

Brother Waira asked me to pop by to see what you've got going on

I've had plants in my coco setups that started like that. I chalked it up to uneven saturation of the coco, which makes part of the root system happy, and keeps the outer (or, dry spots in the ball) too dry for the plant. That does screw with the pH of the coco, somewhat, and when the plants are small, you get those kind of leaf anomalies. The good news- they outgrow it- particularly when you start the 3X/day feedings, because the coco tends to stay saturated at that point.
Question for you- What size are your pots? I use 1 gal root pouches, and when I first started I thought "NO WAY this is going to work. There's not enough coco to grow them!" And..... I was completely wrong.... lolol The 1 gal are small enough to easily saturate them with a 45-60 second soak, and withOUT dry spots. I'm on my 10th run with this setup, and I wouldn't use anything bigger. And, after harvest, the 1 gal is one complete micro-root ball, in there!
Also, as for nute strength.. I use AN nutes (the pH Perfect aspect is worth it, to me-I don't even check pH in the drip setups, anymore!) and here's the strength I use, via the labels for the most part:
1-10 days old- 1/4 strength nutes
11-30 days old- 1/2 strength
Flower weeks 1-4 - 2/3-3/4 strength (depending on strains)
Flower weeks 5-8 - 3/4-full strength (again, depending on strain)

I don't worry so much about a specific PPM/EC, as I know the nutes I'm using are in the right PPM range at those strengths.

From your pics, and my experiences, I think it is a case of spotty watering of the coco, and the pH and PPM wobbles of that issue, which are showing as they do. I recommend that you feed/water slowly, and to make sure that the entire coco (top to bottom, to the sides) is wet after each feed cycle- I just adjust the timers if it needs more, 15 seconds at a time, to get to the sweet spot. For the record, I've found 45 second pump cycles are best from first setting the drip until week 2-3 of flowering, and then 60 second cycles after that-again, in 1 gal pots, which seems to be the sweet spot, for me.

Other than the leaf weirdness, your Girls look hardy and vigorous! You're doing a good job with them! And, once you dial in the "early days" for them- from pop until they hit flowering- you'll have less of the early weirdness to contend with. I have 4 Rockstar Kush in veg, right now, and they don't look much different than your pics. And, they'll be just fine in a week, when they outgrow their toddler tantrums in the new coco! lolol

Best to you, in all things! Don't hesitate to hit me up, if needed. That's what I'm here for!

 

[Waximus]

Ah... I forgot! Making your own drip rings is quite easy, if you have a 1/8" drill bit, some 1/4" tubing (I like the rigid tubing for the rings-easiest to drill), and plastic 3 way 1/4" connectors. I make all of my own. I think it costs me around 50 cents each, when all is said and done. I have a link in my signature below, to my Waximus2015 DIY drip setup. You might find some useful info in there

 

[Bud Wiser]

Ah... I forgot! Making your own drip rings is quite easy, if you have a 1/8" drill bit, some 1/4" tubing (I like the rigid tubing for the rings-easiest to drill), and plastic 3 way 1/4" connectors. I make all of my own. I think it costs me around 50 cents each, when all is said and done. I have a link in my signature below, to my Waximus2015 DIY drip setup. You might find some useful info in there

Thanks alot Waximus....... that gives me alot of clarity on things... Im using 3- 1gal for the late seeds, 3- 5gal smart pots, 6- 5gal pots. Didn't know you could grow to harvest in 1gal pots.....if so I would have gotten the 12 pot system instead of the 6..... I am working on a diy system myself...

I planned on using 1gal pots but had planned on transplanting them to bigger pots before I put them into flower.....But "10 grows in 1gal root bags" im convinced....I would be remiss if I didn't give it a shot. I will be placing a order of AN today!!! I didn't know there was such a thing as PH stable nutes..... My wife said I should put a bed in my grow tent and sleep with them LOL cause Im always there checking PH. I have a soil ph and hydrometer on the way also a gentleman here @Waira suggested I should get one and thought it was excellent advice...... Dont know what I would do without you guys....... THANKS ALOT!!!! I will definitely keep you posted and bug you from time to time

Here is a link to my grow journal

https://www.autoflower.org/index.php?threads/48528/

 

[Waximus]

Cheers, Bud

Yeah, when I started the DIY setup, I took some very good advice from @Truu and @JAYAR (among others, gratefully) and was MOST skeptical of 1 gal doing the job. BUT, I was astonished!!! I've grown 5 foot plants in 1 gal pouches, and only have to really "tend" them every 4-5 days! Anything over 2 gal, and you'll find that keeping them fully watered, but not OVERwatered is a real chore. coco drip is one of the few ares of canna growing where less really IS more lolol
Since setting up the drip setups ( I use one setup per every 4x4 area in both my 4x8 tents), I've saved 50%+ in time, more than 50% in nutes (when I was using ebb&flow, I'd dump 100 gallons of old rez per grow!), and my yields have increased between 25-30%, even with smaller (2-3 foot)plants.
That Tote rez you've pictured looks great!

 

[Bud Wiser]

Cheers, Bud

Yeah, when I started the DIY setup, I took some very good advice from @Truu and @JAYAR (among others, gratefully) and was MOST skeptical of 1 gal doing the job. BUT, I was astonished!!! I've grown 5 foot plants in 1 gal pouches, and only have to really "tend" them every 4-5 days! Anything over 2 gal, and you'll find that keeping them fully watered, but not OVERwatered is a real chore. coco drip is one of the few ares of canna growing where less really IS more lolol
Since setting up the drip setups ( I use one setup per every 4x4 area in both my 4x8 tents), I've saved 50%+ in time, more than 50% in nutes (when I was using ebb&flow, I'd dump 100 gallons of old rez per grow!), and my yields have increased between 25-30%, even with smaller (2-3 foot)plants.
That Tote rez you've pictured looks great!

Which of the advance nutrients products you use??

 

[Waximus]

Which of the advance nutrients products you use??

I've started to actively reduce some of the additives, so, here's the current:
Sensi A&B Coco (Both grow and bloom)
Voodoo Juice
B52
Carboload (THIS additive KILLS! A sort of High Brixing of the plants)
Big Bud Coco
Overdrive
Bud Candy
SensiZyme
Rhino Skin
Nirvana
Flawless Finish (flushing agent..)
Bud Blood (Just started using it Today.. Its a flower accelerator. Hoping it might speed up the harvest by a week

The only non-AN additive I use is Botanicare CalMag+, as needed.

Looking at the list... I have clearly NOT thinned out the herd, much... lolol