Indoor HELP drooping lower leaves...

[happyjoy]

ok thnks
i donno if u can tell from the photos, but those buds are all really small and thin. its hard for me to imagine them being ready in 3 weeks.
then again, im still a new grower, its only my second round, so i dont have experience yet how long it takes buds to mature, and what they look like a month before harvest.
i guess ill need to play it by ear. the reason irealy want to know, is so that i can change my nute schedule accordingly.
im using biobizz line, and should be adding extra topmax for the last 3 weeks before harvest.

 

[MediScrogs]

hey bro, I had to check a seedbank website to see the advert picture for JamaicanBerry, and the photograph shows long, thin buds like you have, so I don't think you're far off from what you should expect.

Also, the finishing time being 90-105 days, what day are you on now?

Also, in rereading your post from the beginning, it sounded like you were only using one led panel for the whole room...? Is that still the case? I would think you would want one whole panel per 60cm x 60cm space at a height of about 12" max at this point. One light for this one plant?

.... I dunno, it's the only other factor that I can see that would have contributed to either drooping and also to smaller, thinner buds. With all the sativa in her, I would think that plant would take all the light you can give it. How much light has it actually been getting this last month?

 

[happyjoy]

thnks for checking.
shes 77 days since popping above soil.

i have only 1 led panel for the whole 2x3 room. which for veg should be more than sufficient. (drawing power is 180w). and during veg they dont fill the whole room. so its about 35-40W per sq ft.
however now during flower, ive had it around 18" so taht the light will reach equally to all parts of the room. (the room has been shared with photo plants). so actually, come to think of it, the jamaican berry has been 18" or further from the light, throughout most of the grow. u think thats the problem? i grew pretty nice buds in the same setup last round.

whats important for me to point out, is the overall size of the plant, to help imagine better the size of the buds. the length of the canopy is only about 16" long. the buds just look so airy and not condensed....the buds are about the width of my finger so thats pretty skinny buds. but theyve stopped growing mostly. so itll have the next 2 weeks - 1 month to fatten up (im hoping more around a month than 2 weeks...)

i very much want to upgrade my rig in the long run. i want to add another panel like what i have to the room. but in the meantime i cant get another LED.
my other option is that ive been considering throwing in a 400w hps that i have lying around. the heat is definately not a problem since my room is about 70F maximum during the day. and about 55-60F at night. so the 400w hps should bring up the heat at the most to 85F during the day, which would be great!....
ive got a 170cfm 6" exhaust, and passive intake.... so my only worry would be perhaps it would cause too much stale air, and maybe i would need to add an active intake....

then today i suddenly had this idea, that i dont need to actually run the 400w hps together with my LED, i can just take out the LED and use the HPS to finish off the grow. itll be covering about 60w per sq foot. which is much better than the current 30w per sq foot im getting with the LED.
my other option is to hang them both together, ill be getting about 90W per sq foot of combined LED and HPS. the heat will not be a problem either. just not sure which ones ideal...


how was it on your stitch plants taht u did? how long from after the time the buds stopped growing vertical fast, and just started fattening up till they finished?

 

[MediScrogs]

Sounds like heat is not a problem so why not throw in the hps, I don't think the passive intake changes things from what they are currently. The night temperature sounds a little on the cool side, this has perhaps slowed them down a little.

As far as when vertical growth stopped on my grow, I didn't actually pay much attention to that, but slowly transitioned the nutes as flowering seemed to be gearing up.

On my Thai plant indoors, it was in a 3 gal fabric pot which I was able to water through every day, so there were constant wet and dry cycles to help pump the plant along. If you add the hps and increase the intensity of light, your ambient temp will also increase and the plants will sweat more water, maybe this will speed up the cycling of the plants.

Good luck with them, you might run both lights but at least the hps sounds better given your low temps.

 

[happyjoy]

ok thnks
i just looked through your grow quickly. dude that laundry basket idea is simply genius!
ive been trying to figure out myslef a good way to SCROG just one plant in the room, while leaving the rest of the plants mobile and not tied to the screen. i considered connecting some poles around the pot, and then attatching a screen onto the poles, but have been having issues technically getting a large screen onto the poles around the pot.
your idea with that basket is really amazing. it looks to me like you just used the netting underneath to tie down the branches, but didnt actually tuck and move them under the net. is that correct? thats also a cool idea.
how in the world did you drain the pot in the basket from runnoff?

 

[MediScrogs]

... I tied string across the basket to make a wide mesh. You're right, I could have just tied to the basket loops already in the laundry basket. I used velcro garden tie material--it's soft, resusable and adjustable, and cheap. Those laundry baskets are extremely sturdy to begin with, no shake and not expensive. I had the pots placed in smaller rubber totes inside the baskets, so removing the runoff was a manual task with a big kitchen pipet/baster or with a shop vac for flushing large amounts. Definitely not the most efficient way but I like the idea of being able to move the plants around, and bending some branches to open a plant up. It was very easy to pick up a basket, and it was very firm. I'm thinking this can be done better.

 

[happyjoy]

hey there everyone. just an update.
i tried connecting the 400w hps i have lying around, together in the room with my LED's. (couldnt afford to buy a 250W HPS, so i used what i had here)

temps shot to 95F. so i added an active intake, and temps went down to around 90F. if i turn ofaf my LED or just use the BLOOM switch on it, then temps go down another 4 or 5 degrees.

so questions is:
is constant temps that range between 85-95F daytime, and 60F nightime, too drastic of a stress, and its better that i dont add in the HPS? again, if i dont use it together with my LED i can keep temps to around 85-88F.

ireally do like the extra light, but im not sure if its worth the heat change.

 

[happyjoy]

just an update on the jamaican berry. she seems to really be loving the warmer temps and extra light.
bud growth has increased.
its the strangest thing ive ever seen. the buds seem to be made almost completely from pistils.
the other plants ive seen till now, the buds are usually made of little leaves that curl up, and pistils. but these buds just seem to be completely comprised of white pistils.
is that what stitchs other strains are like?

 

[happyjoy]

Btw, almost all of the leaves on the Jamaican berry have just 3 fingers. It looks pretty cool. 3 slim long fingered leaves. Have u seen this on stitches other strains?

 

[FullDuplex]

Btw, almost all of the leaves on the Jamaican berry have just 3 fingers. It looks pretty cool. 3 slim long fingered leaves. Have u seen this on stitches other strains?

After reading through this, i still think that lighting was the main issue here. If i remember correctly leaf progression (1,3,5,7,9) was related to the amount of the light the plant was getting. It would explain the lower droopy foliage as well. I didnt read to great detail just looked at the plants and read here and there to see what was going on and to get the idea of the problem.

You may have mentioned this here but what was the light setup on the grow?