guano question

[evol]

I have been looking into buying some guano to try to make my own version of "super soil" and I was considering the types of guano. My idea is to make 2 types of soil and layer them(veg and flower with a light mix on top). Since there are several kinds of guano (Jamaican, Mexican, Indonesian..) and Mexican has the highest N ratio would it be best to use in my "veg layer" or should I use the Mexican with a little Jamaican?
I will be using the Indonesian for my "bloom layer" unless anyone suggests otherwise.

 

[ochocinco]

Look into some Peruvian Seabird Guano I make tea with my guano but I use the seabird for both flower and veg since it has an almost even n and p ratio

 

[cres]

IME all the bat and seabird is great....except for the High Nitrogen Seabird, the PH is way up there and its very hot... I do not recomend it for inside or out.

I have used thousands of pounds of High N bat and fossilized seabird.. Together nothing is better, but an arm and leg is asked for buying those... And the High N bat... you need alot, MJ loves it.

 

[jayp]

Where is the best place to get the ones you are talking about Cres

 

[jayp]

I know some guys that go into caves themselves to gather what guano they can but this seems a bit to extreme for me

 

[X]

There is really nothing gained by layering the soil. The same roots that are used when the plant is young/veg (theoretically, top layer) will be used to feed the plant during bloom (theoretically, bottom layer). In my experience, the root systems do not grow in layers, from top to bottom... but, the plant drives a tap root as deep as the pot will let it, very quickly, and sends out feeder roots throughout the mix.

If you use the guanos you mentioned (with other necessary amendments), and your TLO has cooked long enough for the microbes to do their thing, the plant will take more N, when it needs more N, and it will take more P, when it needs more P... leaving enough behind for the next grow. True TLO doesn't burn the plant because you are not "force feeding" it.

 

[The Dude]

:dance::check:

 

[evol]

Thanks for the help everyone. Is American bat guano ok to use then? I know where to find a batcave I could go just scoop some up...they are brownbats...if that matters

 

[Bromeo]

Hey you can scoop it up and use it but it should be composted first. Fresh bat guano is very full of pathogens that should first be killed of by hot composting, drying or some other techniques. The pathogens contain some things ya just don't want around your house, family and pets.

 

[wg]

You'd have to compost the bat guano for some time and be very very careful handling it. Raw bat guano is not what you want, you want beetle processed bat guano..

The bat guano that sells in the stores is harvested from caves. Inside the caves there live the equivalent of dung beetles which process the guano completely before it is harvested. What you are buying is more like insect guano than bat guano. When mammal dung is processed through species from such a different species, like a worm or an insect, usually all the pathogens are eliminated and only beneficial microbes remain.

You're better off buying it to save time, as well when you buy it it's already analyzed - no guessing on what the nitrogen/phosphorous levels are.. :thumbs: