Grove Bag Alternative
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These laminated bags allow selective passive diffusion of gases through their multiple layers. (Re)Hydration of over-dry buds/contents requires a higher relative humidity outside the bag. I presume that is why many or most users seem to let their buds dry/cure to their satisfaction then seal the bags inside or repackage the buds in an air-tight container....Grove bags do not let water vapor in, in my experience. My bud overdries in them if I leave it in them too long...
I searched for "laminated nut bags" and looking quickly it appears that nut bags are air-tight, with most or all having an aluminum foil layer, with no mention of selective water vapor diffusion.
There could be bags used for fresh vegetables and other herbs made to control rH of their contents. There is likely more promise of a Grove alternative here vs. nut bags.
Curious to see if they work the same. Doesn't say anything about air exchange. Hopefully nobody is opening bags up to moldy weed in 6 months. But 25 bags for $25 is real cheap compared to 20 2oz grove bags for $55 with shipping. The shipping from grove has always been absurd. You keeping the bags in the cannatrol? @Frankthetank
I use the bags to put flower in once it’s finished with the eight day dry/cure cycle….if I need the space for more buds. I’ve stored the bags both in and out of the Cannatrol… although when they’re inside, I leave the zipper open like recommended. Generally, I use them out of the unit…. I bought them because of the grove shipping.
To be clear though, I don’t store in these bags much more than several weeks at a time. Usually, I press the flower asap…. Or I swap the flower to paper bags for longer term storage inside the Cannatrol. These bags are basically a holdover for me, and easier to work with than jars.
I put BOOST in the bags with my herb. Seems to be the ideal way to cure and properly hold the stash long term in them IMO.I use the bags to put flower in once it’s finished with the eight day dry/cure cycle….if I need the space for more buds. I’ve stored the bags both in and out of the Cannatrol… although when they’re inside, I leave the zipper open like recommended. Generally, I use them out of the unit…. I bought them because of the grove shipping.
To be clear though, I don’t store in these bags much more than several weeks at a time. Usually, I press the flower asap…. Or I swap the flower to paper bags for longer term storage inside the Cannatrol. These bags are basically a holdover for me, and easier to work with than jars.
I stay away from the humidity packs…I put BOOST in the bags with my herb. Seems to be the ideal way to cure and properly hold the stash in them IMO.
Yeah people have stated that those humidity packs take away terpenes. Now if that's bro science or not we don't know!I stay away from the humidity packs…
I have noticed after using them it's not the same. I saw a video where it's claimed Boveda says the smell is lessened because the packs put a small layer of water vapor over the bud. Which is why there is less smell. Once you break open the buds the smell will return. I don't smoke flower anymore so I don't break buds open, but after pressing rosin it seems to me the taste has dissipated. Could be bud is simply older than before like naturally degrading??? Just my experience I only use them when necessary. I always seem to over dry, but since I got a moisture meter I'm getting it into the Grove bags at the appropriate %. When I do that the Grove bags seem to work fine on their own. Anything I have put in good hasn't gotten dried out.
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IME this has always been the weak point in any zip-type bag regardless of the bags material and construction... heavy duty ones do make a difference for sure, but still are anything but air tight. The material they are made of is different too of course. Some I found (along with some types of container seals, silicon especially) can actually absorb the damn terpenes and bleed them out ever so slowly, but noticeably.
Grove is just another clown show company looking to jack peep's for stupid sums of money for a product that simply isn't anything new or particularly effective... I've seen too many feedback reports about this now to think otherwise.... it seems to not be truly water vapor-proof; many complaints about overdrying over time...
If you really need truly air/stank-proof storage in a bag, the olde Seal-a-Meal bags are excellent! Costco now offers a much cheaper version of the same thing-
...They are multi-layered type constructionMylar + aluminum material is also excellent, so called 3-5mil thickness is what you want...
...polypropylene bags (as opposed to polyethylene) seems to be very good as well, again the thickness 3-5 mil (not sure WTF they mean by that, it sure isn't millimeters!)... The caveat is the zip seal being the weak point if you chose this material for storage.
This type of poly is very common in food storage because of it's resistance to moisture/vapors, and is superior to polyethylene is chemical resistance (terpenes/organic solvents; some terps can actually start to erode cheap sandwich bags!)....
Like Seal-a-Meal, you can buy the mylar/metal stuff in rolls, but you still need a heat sealer... ditto for polyp'....
Mason jars, been using them for a while but they are bulky and IME, the band+lid combo isn't cutting it for sealing. remember, these are designed with vacuum sealing in mind for canning; as the goods in the jar cool, the air contracts and suck the lid down tight...
I have noticed stank leakage with the band+lid combo, confirmed by bagging the jars up and smell testing later -
The only thing that seems to work better (read not perfect) is using a lid + one of the good quality screw-on tops which will usually force enough pressure onto the lid to flatten it down enough for that seal material to lock down.
I've taken to storing extra in the fridge, which hogs space and why jars are out! I use the Costco seal bags mainly, just don't evacuate the bag to crushing the buds... gonna try tossing an Oxygen absorber into them this year...
Also thought of using small aluminum pans to put buds into before sealing, limiting that mashing further, and of course, Al is totally inert...
wise call mate!
That's the catch, and the skill/experience deal with final dry phase! I don't long term store for 6-8 weeks anyway, sometimes longer, as the magic of cure time transformation is a highly variable thing...
Always always cool and dark!
BOOST/Boveda, used both... they do absorb terpenes, nothing can stop that, but to what degree and level of detriment isn't so clear cut to me...
I don't use them much these days though anyway, better understanding and storage options have reduced the need for them....
Didn't I see a Boveda version made for cannabis specifically? Might be addressing this very issue?
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