Lighting Gloom's first... everything. DWC LED.

Hi Gloom - your first grow you're working out the kinks. Obviously there's issues with the power going off which in DWC is bad bad news. You need oxygen, without it the roots will die, when they start to die that's when pathogens start to grow on the dead root material and before you know it, you've a pythium infection and well kiss goodbye to any decent harvest.

You've got issues with your background water EC, so go and get a water filter. Even if you got a basic one with two filters in it, that would take your water EC level down to about 0.2 EC or something which will be fine. Then you don't have to worry about that.

Pale new growth is fine, they are growing fast so they are a bit pale, the trick is to just not let the new growth get too pale or too big. Pale new growth to me = fast growth and that's not a problem at all dont worry about it.

As you've found out and as DWCocha has said the Ceramic air stones are really the only ones you should use in DWC. Of course the blue ones will do in a pinch. Don't worry too much about roots breaking off, they are pretty strong. If you do find any broken roots in the water though, do fish them out asap. You don't want pathogens feasting on them and creating baby pathogens.

The photos are looking much better - finally I can see what's going on in your tent :) Maybe a brighter light would would help if possible, but 100x better than before.

As far as I can see mate you're doing well. Two weeks in and the plants are where they should be. If you can on your next grow get yourself some filtered water, some Formulex (great for starting off seedlings and cuttings) and some Cal-Mag, that's all you really need for the first couple of weeks, they should be slightly better off. But with what you have there's nothing to be scoffed at, they're a good size for 14 days and nothing too bad in the way of deficiencies, etc. If they carry on like this you'll get a decent harvest and have learn't a lot to make a bigger harvest for next time, so far so good.

Lastly I think the string will be fine. When the plants get older the branches turn into stalks / trunks almost and no string on earth will cut into them :) If I were you the things I'd be concentrating on are and in this order
1) water temperatures - don't let it go over 22, aim for 20 degrees
2) air in the water - don't let that air pump stop or the power go out
3) lower ec starting water - start looking around at water filters

but all in all man things are going well - keep it up

Thanks heaps for stopping by and the advice. Water temperature shouldn't be an issue for me in the coming months, temperatures are dropping not even halfway through autumn yet and still have winter and half of spring probably, before my temps go up again... I do have plans for a water chiller and setting up a recirculating system, for the next grow. Trying to work out if i can have a recirculating system and still be able to move the buckets around some without leaks though. At the moment im not even using a quarter of my 200x200 tent. So there's only one light running, once the ladies bush out a bit i will throw a couple under the other light, and as they grow space the buckets out further and further and set the light mover to go further and further...So i need to be able to move them a bit without leakage.

I changed electricity companies...the old company didn't want to let our business go and was a pain in the ass, i didn't realise they were gonna come out and pull the fuse, happened in the morning and the new company couldn't get someone out to reconnect it until just before dark. Pain in the ass, day of growth lost ( and hopefully thats all....)... But certainly not an ongoing issue.

I can get a 400 L per day RO unit for $350 from a hydro shop nearby. Certainly something i will look at in the coming weeks... God i've spent so much already lol...my wife is going to kill me.

If using RO water, do you need to add anything back other than Calmag? Or is everything needed in the vega nutrients?

Oh, i lowered the light to 50cm from the tops too.
 
I can get a 400 L per day RO unit for $350 from a hydro shop nearby. Certainly something i will look at in the coming weeks... God i've spent so much already lol...my wife is going to kill me.

Just my "My 2 cents"
You'll find it cheaper at the larger hardware/plumbing supply places. That'll make mama happier. Whirlpool makes a nice dependable "under-counter" unit for $149 US. I assume your down under...

P.S. Never mind! After looking at links for Masters and the pricing, I've determined your stores and market are either greedy or insane! :grin: AU $395 is nuts for a lower end system!

:peace:

Fish
 
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Just my "My 2 cents"
You'll find it cheaper at the larger hardware/plumbing supply places. That'll make mama happier. Whirlpool makes a nice dependable "under-counter" unit for $149 US. I assume your down under...

P.S. Never mind! After looking at links for Masters and the pricing, I've determined your stores and market are either greedy or insane! :grin: AU $395 is nuts for a lower end system!

:peace:

Fish

Oh you haven't heard about 'Australia' tax? everything is more expensive down under.
 
Brotha!, but twice the price is a helluva tax!!!
 
Hey Gloom - glad the power issue isn't on going and you've got the eye on the temperatures and seasons and future chiller plans and RO plans. Good stuff.

IWS (inteligent water systems) told me recently they're bringing out a new RDWC system in a few months time. Or if you can build one yourself go for it. I have the IWS DWC system which is a recirculating DWC system. But it's on a timer and recirculates a few times a day. The newer technology systems are called under current which are constantly recirculating. They have higher oxygen content. The CCH2O systems are some of the best but the guy from IWS who makes their system who I Was talking to the other day says his new system will be even better than the CCH2O ones which look the business.

One thing I believe is that in RDWC adding beneficial bacteria isn't a good idea. I added some Rhizotonic to my system and it ended up I dunno... creating a whole load of floater crap and slime all over the airstone tubing, everywhere. Took me two days and a crap tonne of water and H2O2 to get the system properly cleaned. I'm getting some Dutch Master Zone in to make certain the root zone is sterlie as H2O2 is okay, but if you use too little or too much it's not good and you have to keep adding it every few days.

If you want to build your own DWC system here is a video which shows how this one works. You will need to buy the brain pot and reservoir from them though. But the buckets and the glands and elbows and tubing etc you can get elsewhere. This is the system I have however like I Said they're bringing out an upgraded version in a few months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEEiTEcOcUw

Or you could build an under current system but most of those I've seen use the hard PVC tubing which makes it impossible to move the pots around.
 
Hey Gloom - glad the power issue isn't on going and you've got the eye on the temperatures and seasons and future chiller plans and RO plans. Good stuff.

IWS (inteligent water systems) told me recently they're bringing out a new RDWC system in a few months time. Or if you can build one yourself go for it. I have the IWS DWC system which is a recirculating DWC system. But it's on a timer and recirculates a few times a day. The newer technology systems are called under current which are constantly recirculating. They have higher oxygen content. The CCH2O systems are some of the best but the guy from IWS who makes their system who I Was talking to the other day says his new system will be even better than the CCH2O ones which look the business.

One thing I believe is that in RDWC adding beneficial bacteria isn't a good idea. I added some Rhizotonic to my system and it ended up I dunno... creating a whole load of floater crap and slime all over the airstone tubing, everywhere. Took me two days and a crap tonne of water and H2O2 to get the system properly cleaned. I'm getting some Dutch Master Zone in to make certain the root zone is sterlie as H2O2 is okay, but if you use too little or too much it's not good and you have to keep adding it every few days.

If you want to build your own DWC system here is a video which shows how this one works. You will need to buy the brain pot and reservoir from them though. But the buckets and the glands and elbows and tubing etc you can get elsewhere. This is the system I have however like I Said they're bringing out an upgraded version in a few months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEEiTEcOcUw

Or you could build an under current system but most of those I've seen use the hard PVC tubing which makes it impossible to move the pots around.

I actually already have all the plumbing fittings to turn my system into a recirculating, i was planning to have large hose at the bottom heading back to the brain and small hose feeding in from the brain. So...My idea was that the water would enter the buckets at a pace slow enough that the buckets would level themselves back out with the brain through gravity. So just one small water pump and a bunch of plumbing fittings. I even have the brain, just a 100 odd litre container that is the same height as the buckets. So basically the water level in the brain = the water level in the buckets.

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Day 15. - The ladies have somehow managed to wriggle out of their bondage, and i've kinda left them to it for the most part. I really cant work out how to LST a plant that has no height to it already... they're gonna be bushy...if i see some tall bits i'll still try to tie them down...but at the moment i'll just tuck leaves here and there and leave her to it.

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Starting to think about the Res change coming day after tomorrow. I STILL haven't seen any EC movement really... like in 3 days the EC went up by 0.1...So I'm thinking i will go with the same amount of Vega A+B as last week, and a bigger dose of silicon. Maybe add a little bit of CalMag to the think different ladies, not that they show any deficiency and the same calmag to the auto pounders... And then hopefully maybe mid next week if i see some EC drop i can up it a little with my midweek topup.
 
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Ph is still stable, all the buckets at 5.6-5.7. EC is still holding at the levels set last rez change...a mid week topup brought them back down and still no movement. New Rez for all 5 ladies tomorrow. I'm thinking basically the same dose as last week, except i will add a higher dose of silicon, and give the think different ladies some calmag too. Hopefully i will see some EC drop next week...and i can up their feed accordingly. I re attached some of the bondage, trying to bend them down to encourage some of the lower shoots to gain some height so i can spread them out. Think Different #1 is the bushiest thing i have ever seen. I'm glad the LED's have good penetration, there is growth under the canopy i'd never seen until i started moving some shade leaves around.

I gotta say im pretty happy with the progress so far. I think 5 ounces per plant is still a pretty lofty goal...but hopefully not impossible. My 2nd Mars II 900w will get turned on sometime in the next couple of weeks, and i will spread the buckets between the two lights accordingly... as they get bigger i will spread the buckets apart and set the light mover to go further.

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Day - 17.

Rez change today. Rather than do all the buckets 1 at a time. I filled a big tub with 85 litres of water.
I added:
50ml Bloom Calmag
80ml Dutch pro Silicon
75ml Rhizotonic
100ml Cannazym
125ml Canna Classic Vega A
125ml Canna Classic Vega B.

Final EC reading of the big tub was 2.2, with my background of 0.8 = an EC of 1.6... Which is way higher than i expected...Considering the first buckets were 0.5 EC, second buckets were 1.0 Not sure how it will turn out, pretty big EC jump, but i've only added the same amounts of Vega A+B as last week. Just closer to full doses of silicon and Calmag... I'm not too sure how it works... Like if i will be less likely to get nute burn from such a high EC because the EC isn't made up of my canna nutrients NPK... its mainly other stuff... I have the leftover couple of litres of nutes bubbling away in a bucket...i may even go into the tent later and remove a couple of litres of nutes from each bucket and top up with water...bringing the EC down...not sure... I'll be kicking myself if i wake up tomorrow and have nute burn everywhere, and then i'll have remove some nutes and top up with water anyway...and will have lost some growth time and plant health... The more i consider it the more i think i might go back into the tent and make some changes...

Anyways, enough of the wall of text, on with the ladies.

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Hey bud ,just my "My 2 cents" but DM silica is super strong stuff ... you need to start it around week 3 @ a very low dose ( 1/4 ml per liter ect) & never go more than half a mil per liter by the end of veg/start of bloom :Sharing One:
 
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