Mephisto Genetics Germination Issues? Please read

[Mizzo81]

You won't ever find OC, it was a freebie for like one month it seemed. Never went on sale. I missed out on white crack x double grape. Maybe one day as an illuminauto we will get them.

That white crack x double grape sounds good and probably be a real nice plant. May have to do a reversal

 

[slowandeasy]

Lets get some thing crystal clear here.
You didnt start this thread and you are trying to argue what the intentions are. I started tbis tbread for people who are having trouble germing seeds. It is about increasibg your chances for OPTIMAL germination and growth thereafter. An Auto started at 80-85F will germinate faster and have optimal growth. When people are paying $10+ per seed, optimal germination and growth should be everyones personal goal. 99% of the world lives in a different climate than Alaska. If you want to getminate at 70F and have success doing so, awesome. But for the people who actually care about OPTIMAL conditions, this thread will provide that information. Furthermore a vast majority of growers here are growing Indoors and growing indoors is about creating a consistent environment, because it is optimal vs growing outdoors. My advice for growing outdoors in Alaska? Dont do it, grow indoors if you want to have better results, as growing is all about consistencey. Good luck and stop trolling.

This thread was about how to break dormancy and if the seed need 80-85 it's bred for late germination and it does not matter if you do paper towel and router method, all is good then cause it germinate. If it grow faster after dormancy is broken no shit sherlock, everything speeds up with temperature.

 

[Disburped]

So mephisto is based in Spain, they recommend the paper towel DVD-case method on a warm spot. All is good then, follow instructions for germination and it will germinate. However after germination it's weed and will most likely grow like weed, that is something like this in my experience.

Lets get some thing crystal clear here.
You didnt start this thread and you are trying to argue what the intentions are. I started tbis tbread for people who are having trouble germing seeds. It is about increasibg your chances for OPTIMAL germination and growth thereafter. An Auto started at 80-85F will germinate faster and have optimal growth. When people are paying $10+ per seed, optimal germination and growth should be everyones personal goal. 99% of the world lives in a different climate than Alaska. If you want to getminate at 70F and have success doing so, awesome. But for the people who actually care about OPTIMAL conditions, this thread will provide that information. Furthermore a vast majority of growers here are growing Indoors and growing indoors is about creating a consistent environment, because it is optimal vs growing outdoors. My advice for growing outdoors in Alaska? Dont do it, grow indoors if you want to have better results, as growing is all about consistencey. Good luck and stop trolling.

Temperature is something like this:
Very slow growth 50°F
Slow growth 60°F
Good growth 70°F
Fast growth 80-95°F
Death for seeds -40°F
Death for plants 23-14°F more than one night.
Germination 50°F

Optimal growth in a DVD is not important. This is the same for autos and photos cause it's unrelated. Optimal growth is unknown cause it's more than likely dependent on the medication in question. Most of numbers are kind of useless but it's just not right to say that 70°F is too cold for germinating autos so don't do it.

 

[slowandeasy]

Lets get some thing crystal clear here.
You didnt start this thread and you are trying to argue what the intentions are. I started tbis tbread for people who are having trouble germing seeds. It is about increasibg your chances for OPTIMAL germination and growth thereafter. An Auto started at 80-85F will germinate faster and have optimal growth. When people are paying $10+ per seed, optimal germination and growth should be everyones personal goal. 99% of the world lives in a different climate than Alaska. If you want to getminate at 70F and have success doing so, awesome. But for the people who actually care about OPTIMAL conditions, this thread will provide that information. Furthermore a vast majority of growers here are growing Indoors and growing indoors is about creating a consistent environment, because it is optimal vs growing outdoors. My advice for growing outdoors in Alaska? Dont do it, grow indoors if you want to have better results, as growing is all about consistencey. Good luck and stop trolling.

So mephisto is based in Spain, they recommend the paper towel DVD-case method on a warm spot. All is good then, follow instructions for germination and it will germinate. However after germination it's weed and will most likely grow like weed, that is something like this in my experience.

Temperature is something like this:
Very slow growth 50°F
Slow growth 60°F
Good growth 70°F
Fast growth 80-95°F
Death for seeds -40°F
Death for plants 23-14°F more than one night.
Germination 50°F

Optimal growth in a DVD is not important. This is the same for autos and photos cause it's unrelated. Optimal growth is unknown cause it's more than likely dependent on the medication in question.

Using a paper towel is a useless and potentially harmful to delicate root hairs. And Cannabis is a plant, not a weed. It has optimal temperture, humidity, feeding. Anyone who teats their Auto plants like weeds and runs 70F will be rewarded with low quality, low yields, and extended grow times. Starting a seed at 70F will delay germination, slow root development, and slow growth during the first few weeks translates to smaller plants that take much longer to finish. Running approx 80F the entire life of an Auto will result in the fastest growth at every stage, finishing the plant sooner than at lower temps.

Autos are easily effected by slow growth, it is much more important to run warmer temps with Autos than photos during the first stage of life for optimsl growth. If you delay growth of Autos for any reason at all it is like a trickle down effect, many times extending the total grow time unwantedly. If you want an Auto to finish near expected harvest date, you do not want to have a delay at any stage of growth. For optimal growth rootzone temps of approx 80-85F for the first 2 weeks is suggested. After transplanted or well rooted rootzone temps can be lowered 5 to 10 deg, 75-80F will produce excellent root growth. Below 70F will see noticibly slower root development and slower upward growth. I personally suggest starting seeds in a cup or rootmaker if you are unable to keep the environment approx 80F during the 1st 2 weeks of Autos life. If you can keep consistently Approx 80F, direct planting in Final pot will have optimal growth at those temps. I am currently doing a little side by side. I have a directly planted Grape Rolex start of day 2 above ground and 1 planted in a 5 oz cup. The environment is 81F. We will see how they both do. Right now the directly planted seedling is a little fatter 1st set of true leaves and it is shorter. However, the Seedling in the cup was not exposed to the same lights when it emerged. It had less lighting and is taller for now. I predict the directly planted seedling grows faster its whole life and finishes faster at the end of its life vs the transplanted one. Autos do prefer to have the least amount of stress and will perform best with zero hiccups, even minor. Peace, slow

 

[Disburped]

Ok that's your way, do as you are used to dude but for most outdoor growers the numbers doesn't matter much cause the temperature is not within our control, all we can do is plant it in the spring and harvest in autumn.

 

[MrOldBoy]

And that temperature is not 85°F cause it do not snow then...
Take a look at my Babushka Black day one, it has winter coat before it surface!
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Same coat a peach has, its called fuzz ...... or could be PM - picture is ”fuzzy” but water is dripping from plant - humidity must be high ....

I’m just spreading what knowledge I have and I know 80-85 germination temps are best ..... yes lower can work but not optimal and wasteful at $10-$15 a seed and time invested.

 

[slowandeasy]

Same coat a peach has, its called fuzz ...... or could be PM - picture is ”fuzzy” but water is dripping from plant - humidity must be high ....

I’m just spreading what knowledge I have and I know 80-85 germination temps are best ..... yes lower can work but not optimal and wasteful at $10-$15 a seed and time invested.

Exactly my point. Why do something half-assed and get sub par results? And I can guarantee at lower temps you will not have 100% germ rates and growth will be much slower. Not to mention TIME, if you slow down a plant ant it takes weeks longet to finish you are wasting valuable time. Do that a few grows in a row and you have wasted a whole cycle that year. Anyone who grows should care about the temps when starting their plants, if not then you dont know what you are doing and dont care about your plants health.

 

[Disburped]

Yes like peach fuzz, it traps the air and create a micro-climate it may not seem much but it insulate against, snow, wind and cold water. So very packed with it and it's no water at all cause I have dry and sandy soil and no humidifier, it's just trichomes and maybe a piece of sand somewhere. This plant is landrace hybrid so I don't worry cause the plant don't need high humidity, it can drink water with roots. Also the plant produce the black, red or purple anti-freeze and I know why. I understand we repeat what we have learned but it's just that the germination temperature has risen 10° since I started to grow, soon we will germinate in oven

All in all it bothers me a bit cause it's one thing to say this is a good method and another to say don't do this way.. it's easy to proove it wrong cause paper method works or with a strain that can take the cool and some like it, I grew Dance Hall recently and it did not like the high temperature, strains have different genetics so I just grow and look at it like outdoor.

 

[GloriaGrows]

An Aerogarden with Rapid Rooters and a heat mat under the one gallon res works wonders.

I grew my first grow from start to finish in an aerogarden. Worked very well. Check out my thread here if your interested.

 

[OttoCBD]

I grew my first grow from start to finish in an aerogarden. Worked very well. Check out my thread here if your interested.

I just gave your thread a looking and a job well done for such a small little unit ..I know, "size matters" but sometimes it's fun to see what can come from something small. Less is more much of the time. Have a great day!