Mephisto Genetics Germination Issues? Please read

[Disburped]

I dont think no one said they wont germinate outside that range. Seeds will germinate outside of optimal range. Do the test see what temps germinate faster and stronger for yourself.

My last two seeds ideal temps germinated in less then 24 hours straight sown into moist soil. No pre soak no paper towels. Popped up and opened up the same day.

2 before my temps were low 70s took a full 5 days to pop. Slow growth. Took 3 more days to open up and grab light.

Ask me what temps i strive for?

So how do you plan to grow it outdoor in a short alaskan summer, ask me what temperature I strive for, 28.4°F!

 

[MrOldBoy]

That's just cause you grow some special super smooth golf-course grass dude. I am not trying to minimize anyone's skill of farming, I bet you do great within your setting, surely there is a place for that nice putting grass but you know what, some golf courses are far north and I tell you what, it's grass and it germinate in spring and you know what, grass can take the frost cause grass is a damn tough plant!

Sir it fescue grass I’m talking about in my yard - I do not golf nor am I interested in golf course style grass ..... Fact is fescue grass seed will not germinate if temps go below 50 degrees at nite ..... and you’ll kill your seeds if planted too early ..... Once grass establishEs itself all is good.

 

[CBgrower]

So how do you plan to grow it outdoor in a short alaskan summer, ask me what temperature I strive for, 28.4°F!

I plant icecubes at those temps. You can have it!

 

[Disburped]

Sir it fescue grass I’m talking about in my yard - I do not golf nor am I interested in golf course style grass ..... Fact is fescue grass seed will not germinate if temps go below 50 degrees at nite ..... and you’ll kill your seeds if planted too early ..... Once grass establishEs itself all is good.

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Yes but this is not natural, you know in nature the seeds stay dormant during winter and cannabis can stay dormant in ice, way below freezing point. When snow melts it's supposed to pop early on to outcompete it's neighbours. That means it's not growing fast when it pops but when a warm day come it's allready standing. I am not saying anything is wrong with the seeds or any grower, it's just that this is a feature from breeding and not the original ruderalis way.

 

[OttoCBD]

I plant icecubes at those temps. You can have it!

"If you plant ice you're going to harvest wind" - Robert Hunter ;-)

 

[Olderfart]

So how do you plan to grow it outdoor in a short alaskan summer, ask me what temperature I strive for, 28.4°F!

I don't plan to do an outdoor grow again, and I live further south than Alaska. Too cold and too wet, too much mold, too many slugs and bugs. My current indoor grow just wrapping up OTOH - no mold, no pests, climate exactly what I choose. And with LED's, maybe $40-$50 in power costs for a seriously nice load of weed. And I could just stomp down to the basement to immerse myself in garden delight. What's not to like? Yes, I know that outdoor can work at this latitude, but I doubt that I will invest the effort again in the absence of a greenhouse. Too much of a crap shoot given the time and effort necessary. I guess I am not much of a farmer.

Anyway, back to the germination issue. No one is trying to tell you that germination will not happen at lower temperatures. It will just not, in the experience of expert growers here, be as consistent. Further, with autos, a slower start may be a setback that matters given that the clock may be running from day 1.

It may well be that observed lower germination rates at lower temperatures have been accidentally selected for by breeders. No doubt a heck of a lot has been going on genetically as a result of years of selection for the traits now separating strains. If breeders have been using higher germination temperatures simply due to speed and convenience, that could result in selection for performance in a warmer than natural environment.

In any case, germinate as you wish, but please don't discount the experience of expert growers here. No one here is trying to force anyone to do anything, they are just attempting to share accumulated experience that can help others.

 

[Disburped]

I don't plan to do an outdoor grow again, and I live further south than Alaska. Too cold and too wet, too much mold, too many slugs and bugs. My current indoor grow just wrapping up OTOH - no mold, no pests, climate exactly what I choose. And with LED's, maybe $40-$50 in power costs for a seriously nice load of weed. And I could just stomp down to the basement to immerse myself in garden delight. What's not to like? Yes, I know that outdoor can work at this latitude, but I doubt that I will invest the effort again in the absence of a greenhouse. Too much of a crap shoot given the time and effort necessary. I guess I am not much of a farmer.

Anyway, back to the germination issue. No one is trying to tell you that germination will not happen at lower temperatures. It will just not, in the experience of expert growers here, be as consistent. Further, with autos, a slower start may be a setback that matters given that the clock may be running from day 1.

It may well be that observed lower germination rates at lower temperatures have been accidentally selected for by breeders. No doubt a heck of a lot has been going on genetically as a result of years of selection for the traits now separating strains. If breeders have been using higher germination temperatures simply due to speed and convenience, that could result in selection for performance in a warmer than natural environment.

In any case, germinate as you wish, but please don't discount the experience of expert growers here. No one here is trying to force anyone to do anything, they are just attempting to share accumulated experience that can help others.

Please don't discount the experience of expert stoners. I breed for the north cause it's where the best smoke is made, can't know you like it before you try it. Bigfoot agrees

 

[Disburped]

This thread was about how to break dormancy and if the seed need 80-85 it's bred for late germination and it does not matter if you do paper towel and router method, all is good then cause it germinate. If it grow faster after dormancy is broken no shit sherlock, everything speeds up with temperature.

 

[MrOldBoy]

Yes but this is not natural, you know in nature the seeds stay dormant during winter and cannabis can stay dormant in ice, way below freezing point. When snow melts it's supposed to pop early on to outcompete it's neighbours. That means it's not growing fast when it pops but when a warm day come it's allready standing. I am not saying anything is wrong with the seeds or any grower, it's just that this is a feature from breeding and not the original ruderalis way.

Yes and when that cold snap comes, plant is dead - if temps stay ok plant survives.

 

[Disburped]

Yes and when that cold snap comes, plant is dead - if temps stay ok plant survives.

And that temperature is not 85°F cause it do not snow then...
Take a look at my Babushka Black day one, it has winter coat before it surface!