Indoor First Auto growSpectrum king Clost case- bubba cheese/ blue critical

Day 63:
The struggle is real. So no the problem has spread to all but 1 girl. I thought the issue was nutrient burn so I flushed and the problem continued and spread. I did some more research and I think the issue is my water. I've been using AN ph perfect with just my tap water which is really hard. It doesn't really say it on the jug or anything but AN highly recommends using RO water....so needless to say I'm now using RO water. I flushed and fed all the girls. time will tell.

Some bud shots
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Blue Critical
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Bubba Cheese
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As my harvest date gets closer I was doing some research on flushing when I came across this method where you basically cut the plant right at the base.then let the stock soak in fresh water for a few days. Kinda like when you buy flowers at the store.
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A way to super-charge the rinsing stage is to enhance the uptake of water by cutting ripe plants 7-10 days before harvest and then placing them in pure water. These rootless plants are treated like cut flowers from the florist that live in a vase, and they will be able to uptake much more water than when attached to their root systems. This happens since water will move up the stem by “capillary action”, which is faster than when the plant is attached to roots. In this case however, the “vase” should be a large bucket of water that is replaced everyday.

By continuing to grow the cut-stem-plants under full light and CO2 in dry air for 7-10 days, they will “drink” much more water. All the grower needs to do is replace and replenish the water everyday; they will transpire amazing amounts of water and the growth of the ripening phase will more rapidly dilute all minerals in the shoots, much more than when plants are left to ripen on their root systems."

http://thcbiomed.com/topic/an-alter...abis-crops-and-dilute-tissue-nutrient-levels/

Anybody every try this ?
 
Ive now seen this pop up a couple time as of recent, and now know the potential source article, thank, and even though it should potentially work, is it really any different that normal flushing, if you do that practice ?

Keeping an open mind let's think about it at the moment, then potentially debunk or provide negatives later.

Say you cut a plant from its root source 7-10days from harvest then keep it in water to "age" it, in those final days all it will be doing is transpiring water and consuming its nutrient stores that are left because it cannot get anymore from its root system and that would cause the plant to potentially finish up quicker as it would sense it's been cut off or receiving less nutrients which in turn effectively flushes or consumes it leftover nutrient stores, achieving a flushed finished bud. So saying that it would work.

Now say you left it attached to its root system, and did a supposed normal flush routine on it and have it be fed straight water for the last week or two, the plant would sense the lowering or lack of nutrients in the root medium and start consuming if current stored nutrient supply, effectively starting to "age" the bud and giving it that flushed look. Same effect as chopping it and putting it into water, the difference being is it's a bit more gradual tapering off in comparison, as it would still have leftover nutrients in the roots and root medium "unless pure water, aka hydro" but would "age" just the same.

Also our plants whether flushed, not flushed, or stem cut when they get to the end of their life then tend to start tapering down their nutrient use anyways, because the plant is shutting down its standard functions as its approaching its final end, it only requires as much nutrients as it needs to support its last functions, so it will "age" out either way, even if feeding up till the end just at a reduced amount.

But in effect there all doing the exactly the same thing, one is just more abrupt that the other, vs either a forced flushing event which is also abrupt just a little less so, and or natural ageing with nutrient consumption reduction up to the end, so possibly "purely hypothetical here, as we have no scientific evidence" by cutting the stem we could potentially reduce the finishing time by maybe a day or two, and have that day or two translate into a jump start of the curing task at hand after harvest. So bonus for that if that is what actually happens, but we have no scientific evidence to back that up, with the original article only referring to how to artificially color roses or flowers with food dye, which the flowers were already picked at their peak for there own purposes "display".

Now comes the downsides and what ifs.

Point 1 : Say you cut your plant and put it in water, but potentially create air pockets in the xylem and phloem, this can cause the passage of the water in those structures of the plant to become blocked causing a air embolism, and that would cause those pathways and the structure they support "buds and leafs" to start shutting down and dying prematurely.

Point 2 : Say your plants nutrient stores aren't balanced or at ideal capacity before the cut or even flushing event, in that final week to week and half, the plant should still be going through the process of making new cells, new structures, and finishing out the processes in packing out the buds, which it will require nutrients to do so, but if the plant has enough stored away then we don't have to worry, if it doesn't the plant is gonna run into a roadblock where it won't be able to finish out in the same efficiency as if it had those nutrients, thus potentially causing lesser yield and or quality to occur.

Point 3 : With the cutting of the stem you could potentially spread pathogens to the plant, but being that it's so close to harvest its kinda a null point as it would only effect the last couple days after those pathogens take hold, but could still be an issue, just a minor one.

Those above being the main issues that i can think of at this point in time.

So with all that, is those potential drawbacks worth the potential gain of maybe a day or two, that comes down to the individual person on those choices.

Something to think about.
 
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Looking good btw, it should be tasty either way, sucks on the slight cal/mag deficiency, or lockout, but at this stage it won't really matter too much
 
Ive now seen this pop up a couple time as of recent, and now know the potential source article, thank, and even though it should potentially work, is it really any different that normal flushing, if you do that practice ?

Keeping an open mind let's think about it at the moment, then potentially debunk or provide negatives later.

Say you cut a plant from its root source 7-10days from harvest then keep it in water to "age" it, in those final days all it will be doing is transpiring water and consuming its nutrient stores that are left because it cannot get anymore from its root system and that would cause the plant to potentially finish up quicker as it would sense it's been cut off or receiving less nutrients which in turn effectively flushes or consumes it leftover nutrient stores, achieving a flushed finished bud. So saying that it would work.

Now say you left it attached to its root system, and did a supposed normal flush routine on it and have it be fed straight water for the last week or two, the plant would sense the lowering or lack of nutrients in the root medium and start consuming if current stored nutrient supply, effectively starting to "age" the bud and giving it that flushed look. Same effect as chopping it and putting it into water, the difference being is it's a bit more gradual tapering off in comparison, as it would still have leftover nutrients in the roots and root medium "unless pure water, aka hydro" but would "age" just the same.

Also our plants whether flushed, not flushed, or stem cut when they get to the end of their life then tend to start tapering down their nutrient use anyways, because the plant is shutting down its standard functions as its approaching its final end, it only requires as much nutrients as it needs to support its last functions, so it will "age" out either way, even if feeding up till the end just at a reduced amount.

But in effect there all doing the exactly the same thing, one is just more abrupt that the other, vs either a forced flushing event which is also abrupt just a little less so, and or natural ageing with nutrient consumption reduction up to the end, so possibly "purely hypothetical here, as we have no scientific evidence" by cutting the stem we could potentially reduce the finishing time by maybe a day or two, and have that day or two translate into a jump start of the curing task at hand after harvest. So bonus for that if that is what actually happens, but we have no scientific evidence to back that up, with the original article only referring to how to artificially color roses or flowers with food dye, which the flowers were already picked at their peak for there own purposes "display".

Now comes the downsides and what ifs.

Point 1 : Say you cut your plant and put it in water, but potentially create air pockets in the xylem and phloem, this can cause the passage of the water in those structures of the plant to become blocked causing a air embolism, and that would cause those pathways and the structure they support "buds and leafs" to start shutting down and dying prematurely.

Point 2 : Say your plants nutrient stores aren't balanced or at ideal capacity before the cut or even flushing event, in that final week to week and half, the plant should still be going through the process of making new cells, new structures, and finishing out the processes in packing out the buds, which it will require nutrients to do so, but if the plant has enough stored away then we don't have to worry, if it doesn't the plant is gonna run into a roadblock where it won't be able to finish out in the same efficiency as if it had those nutrients, thus potentially causing lesser yield and or quality to occur.
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Point 3 : With the cutting of the stem you could potentially spread pathogens to the plant, but being that it's so close to harvest its kinda a null point as it would only effect the last couple days after those pathogens take hold, but could still be an issue, just a minor one.

Those above being the main issues that i can think of at this point in time.

So with all that, is those potential drawbacks worth the potential gain of maybe a day or two, that comes down to the individual person on those choices.

Something to think about.

Thanks for the very thorough reply Mr. sparkle definitely some scenarios that could happen that I didn't think of and I'd rather not take any risks at this point.
I've only grown outdoors before so never really bothered with flushing but I do believe in its practice. I've been checking the girls everyday now with my scope and haven't seen any amber yet, but where getting close. I'm a medical patient up hear in Canada so I'll be leaving the girls until atleast 25% amber so I get the really Heavy narcotic buzz I'm looking for with my pain issues. I'm expecting to start chopping a couple of the Blue Criticals next week.
 
Day 66:
Well I went head and choped the smallest blue critical. I checked the trichomes and pretty much all we
cloudy with hardley any amber. I chopped a bit early to try the brown paper bag method. Never done it before and I wanna try a test run. Also want to see the difference in the effects if I wait for more ambers.

thinking I'll have about an oz dry hopefully.
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So I just placed them in the bottom and folded up the top with a clothespin. Thinking I'll check ever day or two
 
Day 70:

Well my first harvest is now dry. I was a little surprised to see it only turned out to 17g's it was the smallest plant mind you. Haven't tried any yet, but for fresh out of the bag it has a very sweet berry undertone there. Combined with the tipical fresh chlorophyl smell.
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As far as the other girls.... well there looking great all things considered. Only thing I gotta say is I'm surprised buy how long the trichomes are taking to go from cloudy to amber. I'm just now finally seeing some amber showing up. So at this point I'm thinking maybe another week tops before I can start harvesting the rest of the blue criticals. Then maybe another two weeks for the Bubba cheeses.
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Ive been using the RO water now for two weeks and not really seeing any kind of improvements. A lot of the fanleafs in the Bubba cheeses have crisped right up not sure what the he'll is going on. But it's only really effecting the upper leafs and it's kinda too late to do anything at this point. I'll I can do is just flush them.
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And some more pretty flowers
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Day 77:
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Well I've been checking the trichomes daily and there still cloudy no amber. I've decided to take another blue critical today As far as I'm concerned there done like dinner so this girls coming down tonight.
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Out of the 3 blue critical left two have a more airy bud structure like the one pictured above. And the other is much more dense I'm gonna save her for last as I think she's gonna yield the most by far.
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The Bubba cheeses have caught right up and are looking good. I don't think their gonna be big yielders though. Gonna give them at least another 5 days.....trichomes will tell I guess

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Day 81:
The last and the biggest Blue critical came down last night. This girl was the bell of the ball and will have the biggest harvest....I'm hoping 1 1/2 - 2 oz. compared to the 3 other blue critical this girls bud structure is much more dense and chunky, but doesn't seem to be as frosty
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I will start harvesting my bubba Cheese on Thursday coming in at 12 weeks old by then
 
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