(Experienced Growers Only) Controversial Defoliation Increases Marijuana Yields - Photoperiod Plants

If you follow Stunted's thread you may find out autos can handle much more stress than you think :2cents:

In multipots I trim and defoliate all the time and nothing seem to hurt/stressed them. Now I have 2 multipots with Dragons in their 7th week. Girls on one pot were defoliated yesterday, on the other - not. All girls were just pollinated. We shall see in a week :group:

Defoliated
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Not defoliated

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:D011.jpgThis is an auto NLB that I had to tie and thin out or defoliate and I got almost 90 grams dry from her.Not saying it will work on all autos but it worked on mine.:smokebuds:
 
No offense taken I know leaves are like solar panels and the leaves do support growth but if your light can't penetrate past all the growth on top, all the bud sites beneath it that get's little to no light and will be skimpy whispy buds and not desirable to the market today. When it come's to a bigger light it's all about penetration getting light deeper into the canopy which results in tighter more solid bud structure check out my photo grow thread it's in my sig and you will see. I have big plants and they fill up my little space and with just my 400 watt I have to create a even canopy and remove foliage to let light pass through to promote growth. I would rather not remove the foliage but it is what it is I have big yields of quality product.
 
No offense taken I know leaves are like solar panels and the leaves do support growth but if your light can't penetrate past all the growth on top, all the bud sites beneath it that get's little to no light and will be skimpy whispy buds and not desirable to the market today
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This leads me to something else I've noticed and its through this thought train I came to it.

Interesting that they seem to respond when the light is nearest that part of the plant... or maybe better put... when the light is abl to penetrate to that particular part of the plant... it says something for a plants "food network" as does some things I've notice by a lot of extensive ph testing in native soils around plants... I've noticed that the roots on the bottom... correspond directly to stems on top... I have been able to follow a ph triggered deficiency... showing in only 1 part of a plant... and trace its exact root structure in the bottom by ph...
And in my research ... noted that that root is almost ALWAYS on the opposite side of the plant as where the deficiency shows... looking closer I noticed that you can see that part of the root coming up from the soil... and make a 180 degee twist near the base of the plant before it integrates into the stem...:toke:
 
Fan leaves account for the greatest area for the reception of photons on a plant, thus they account for the majority of photosynthesis which occurs within a plant. Cells in the plant's leaves, called chloroplasts, contain a green pigment called chlorophyll which interacts with sunlight to split the water in the plant into its basic components. Leaves only absorb about 15% of the solar energy that hits them, the other 85% passes through-- but they reflect all the green light, which means it looks darker below the leaf to a human than it does to the plant because our eyes are most sensitive to the green spectrum (Shipperke, 03.15.2002).
Photosynthesis occurs in all green parts of plants. The process has two stages, the light reactions and the Calvin cycle, that convert water and carbon dioxide into sugar and oxygen. These sugars are later used to power all the processes in the plant, including the synthesis of THC and other cannabinoids (Shipperke, 04.02.2002; Ca, 03.13.2002). Fan leaves possess the greatest number of stomata, which are small pores or valves on the underside of the leaf which water vapor and carbon dioxide diffuse during transpiration and photosynthesis (carbon fixation). Carbon dioxide first enters the leaf through the stomata and combines with the stored energy in the chloroplasts through a chemical reaction (the Calvin cycle) to produce a simple sugar. This sugar is unloaded into the tissues and transported through tubes in the leaf to supply the synthesized food to other plant parts such as growing or respiring tissues like young leaves, roots, and flowers of the plant. meristems (UK Tricky Knome, 03.14.2002).
Removal of fan leaves will not only slow growth, but it will also hinder the plants ability to rid itself of toxic gases, and also hinder the regulation of the plants temperature via stomata. Changes in the plants chemical metabolism caused by fan leave removal causes the plant to work overtime to rid ‘toxins’ with less leaves, as a result the pant may allocate more growth hormones into growing more leaves to make up for what has been lost(Equator, 03.15.2002). Removing large amounts of fan leaves may also interfere with the metabolic balance of the plant. Leaf removal may also cause sex reversal resulting from a metabolic imbalance.
There is a relationship regarding the amount of carbohydrates a leaf produces and CO2 intake relative to outside forces. When you have a situation whereby the leaf is no longer productive for the plant for whatever reason that may be - low light, old age, disease, insect attack etc, the plant will discard it. (Thunderbunny as citied, by Nietzsche, 03.13.2002.
Plants have two different kinds of vessels in their stems to move stuff around, xylem and phloem. Xylem runs from the roots up the stem carrying water and nutrients. Phloem runs both up and down to move sugars hormones, proteins, etc but mostly sugars. Each part of the plant can be either a sugar source or a sugar sink (Shipperke, 03.15.2002). Phloem moves from sources (areas of supply) to sinks (areas of metabolism or storage). Granted that the flowers can produce some photosynthate, but they are no where near as effective as fan leaves (resin glands significantly reduce light to the tissue they are found on). Flowers are sink tissues, leaves are source tissues. Sinks do not produce enough photosynthate, and are importers. Sources give photosynthate to sinks in closest proximity. Upper leaves bring sucrose to shoot apical meristem and young leaves while lower leaves bring goodies to roots (UK Tricky Knome, 03.17.2002). Remove the source and the sink will be affected (Diels Alder, 03.15.2002).
The leaves at the top of a plant tend to supply the top growing shoots. The leaves at the bottom of the plant tend to supply the roots. The middle leaves can go either way as the demand changes. During flowering and fruiting, only the very bottom leaves supply the roots and the rest of the leaves try to get as much energy as possible to the flowers of fruits.
Fan leaves store mobile nutrients, these stored nutrients are essential in the later stages of flowering. When flushing a plant the fan leaves will lose their color quickly. This is because the nutrients are being mobilized to the atypical meristem (grow tip, bud site). Draining your fan leaves with a flushing period will increase floral development (Ca, 13.03.2002). Fan leaves therefore serve as a nutrient deficiency buffer zone for the plant (Higstar, 03.13.2002).
One thing to remember is every time you cut into any part of a plant, you are exposing the inside of the plant to fungus and bacteria (Leaf, 03.13.2002).
Tuck instead of trimming Another method is to tuck your fans leaves under to expose the buds, don't forget that even though they wont be getting as much light they are still photosynthesizing and more importantly exchanging gases storing nutrients, and building sugars which the bud then converts into THC and other cannibinoids (Ca, 13.03.2002)

notice this part ,,,,,,

"Leaves only absorb about 15% of the solar energy that hits them, the other 85% passes through-- but they reflect all the green light, which means it looks darker below the leaf to a human than it does to the plant because our eyes are most sensitive to the green spectrum (Shipperke, 03.15.2002)."

the sources are there to be googled if someone wanted to

peace :cool:
 
also, ive grown plants with lights hung vertically and lower buds recieved just as much light as the higher ones, low buds grow small naturally, even outdoors, look at the plants, every branch has bigger buds towards the tops/ends because the plants focus on sending the growth hormones to the higher points/ends , thats why bending and tieing help produce more main branches/buds or even canopy, when you bend that top branch the plant reroutes the most growth hormones to the new higher branches

peace :cool:
 
every branch has bigger buds towards the tops/ends because the plants focus on sending the growth hormones to the higher points/ends , thats why bending and tieing help produce more main branches/buds or even canopy, when you bend that top branch the plant reroutes the most growth hormones to the new higher branches
that is certainly in line with other discussion I've heard on the topic... I'd tend to agree to some degree... it certainly explains excellent results with "supercropping" on photos.. :toke:

"Leaves only absorb about 15% of the solar energy that hits them, the other 85% passes through-- but they reflect all the green light, which means it looks darker below the leaf to a human than it does to the plant because our eyes are most sensitive to the green spectrum (Shipperke, 03.15.2002)."
I'd think, at least in lumens, I could contest some of this with a lux meter...
lux = energy.... Anytime I have nipped out some of th bigger fan leaves allowing good light penetration, I've always noticed better resuls deeper into the canopy...... we're not talking sun energy here... we're talking, HID or LED... neither of which has a chance of standing up to the lumen power of the sun... the sun also provides radiation from many angles at once due to radiation reflected both in the atmosphere and off objects...


I compensate for that , to the best of my ability with a mover...


:2cents:

lets keep hashing and waaaaaaaaaxin'! :dance2: :smokebuds:
 
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Oh boy a defoliation thread where folks are civil! :clap::clap::clap:
One of the very, very few I've seen.

Having done a ton of testing (and still am) on defoiliating.
I've done a ton of leaf, minimal amounts, some early, some lat, some simply throughout.

My test indeed could increase yeald,,, it could also hinder the desired effect.

Generally, find sativas & sativa dominants tend not to appreciate too much. Indicas generally react better,,, sometimes much better.

I've come to the point of not calling defoliating a "grow style" as suych,, but a tool.
How / when / if done it's now on a plant by plant basis.

My honest opinion is it's a double edged sword. Can cut both ways (good/bad).
Some plants, even the same strain from the same breeder can react in a variable way.

I've paid my dues learning the ins & outs of this and learning the when, where, and how much was a challenge.

Like controlling a Jackhammer for 8-10 hrs a day,, it's not for everyone and there is a knack to it that's not easily learned. But, it can be good (for sure). :thumbs:

That's just my opinion because it definately works for me... still.
That's all I'll say about it.

Hope it stays civil (how refreshing! :clap:). Good post. :thumbs:
 
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