Thanks. What did you notice in 3 weeks of the biotabs in coco that you tried? What kind of problems did you have on there? The biobizz I would likely order on amazon if I tried it. That has fertilizer mixed in it right? Would that not be a problem if you use the full biotabs line with it? If I did use soil I would want to do something to kill the bugs and eggs that may be in it. Do you know of a method that would work for that? I have read about putting it in the oven but I really do not want to do that. What about flushing it with peroxide water on there?
Do any of you use biotabs for the nutrient?
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No Biobizz is a low pH organic soil. No added fertilisers. You've seen my thread... can you see any problems using lightmix and the full biotabs line up (Siliciumflash is to aid in Calmag def later on btw. At least that's what I was advised by biotabs. I still use the Ogratrex.)
Regarding the bugs in the soil. Personally I'd do nothing with it. Set up your grow and let it go. If for any reason you see bugs later then we (AFN) can help.
No Biobizz is a low pH organic soil. No added fertilisers. You've seen my thread... can you see any problems using lightmix and the full biotabs line up (Siliciumflash is to aid in Calmag def later on btw. At least that's what I was advised by biotabs. I still use the Ogratrex.)
Regarding the bugs in the soil. Personally I'd do nothing with it. Set up your grow and let it go. If for any reason you see bugs later then we (AFN) can help.
Thanks. I do not have the orgatrex and would use the sf instead of orgatrex like biotabs recommends in the just add water method. If I do use soil I would try to remove bugs that may be in it before it is a problem. I have read that once you get some bugs it is really hard to get rid of them on there. I would rather do more work now in prevention than try to remove the bugs later if it is a problem on there. You mentioned that when you tried biotabs in coco the problem was the plants did not grow as fast as you wanted right? I do not need record setting yields. I just want to be able to harvest like 4 ounces every 2 months on there. I was hoping with 2 plants 2 ounces per plant every 2 months would be enough for what I need so I do not need monster plants. My tent is only 5.5 feet tall anyway. I am growing autos and doing lst to keep the plants from getting very tall in the tent. I may try the biotabs in coco then if it does not work try soil though I really do not want to try soil for it on there.
slowandeasy
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I remember you being the same way last time, you are set on Coco. I can appreciate your desire for running Coco. I love Coco, it is the best medium for Hydro like growth, when treated as intended. Have been running it for 16+ years, I did Hydro for 7 years prior to Coco. But each medium has its own special and unique properties that need to be treated in specific ways to get the results you deserve. You keep saying "If Biotabs dont work with Coco, I will try something else then. And Biotabs says it works with Coco". Well I am just being completely honest, as I would want others to do the same for me if I were new to growing. I dont want you to waste another 4 months. You already spent a decent amount of time and effort on your current plants, and admit that it is disappointing. Biotabs are best suited for Organic soil if growing Cannabis. Yes I have done them in Coco. Yes I have done them in Soil. Yes I have used Airdomes. You will get slow veg growth, somewhat healthy. Your plants will get locked out due to excessive deficiencies and will be the smallest Coco plants you will.ever do. Wasting valuable time, which is irreplaceable. Also, adding Perlite/Coco 50% 50% make the Biotabs even less effective. Perlite is only for drainage. It has no organic properties.
Look at it like this. You learned what not to do. Biotabs are a great tool. But you have to use the right tool to do the right job. No matter how many times you want Coco to work with Organic dry ammendments or Biotabs...it just wont because Coco is not the right medium for that type of feeding. Would you sprinkle some dry ammendments in a Brick of Rockwoll or plug a couple of Biotabs in a slab of Rockwoll and expect it to preform like Organic Soil? That is basically what you are expecting Coco to do. Coco is not living organic material. It is an amazing medium, for Hydro style growing. Not organically.
"Is there anything you can ADD to the Coco to make the Biotabs work with Coco?" The answer is simple. NO. Biochar is only going to keep your Coco soggier and will.do nothing to provide Coco what really needs...daily nutrients. Which leads me to a point that I havenot even touched yet. Autopots are not originally designed for Smart Pots. Cutting a 5 gal Smart Pot down is not going to drain or wick the same as Plastic pots. When dealing with bottom feeding pot size, shape, material, and medium all.play a factor in root development growth, and overall plant health. With a single 32x32 tent a perpetual harvest is not worth doing unless you have anothe space to VEG. You will see that a single properly grown plant will easily take up the whole tent. As @Chronic_ passion said above, you are boarderline obsessed with bugs snd it is clouding your judgement IMO. I get it, you dont want bugs. But you can get bugs in Hydro! With a 2 plant grow and Quality Soil you shouldnt have pests and if you get gnats you can easily get rid of them with a small 2 plant garden. That being said, Canna Coco can have pests. Bricked Coco can have pests. My old roomate had pot mites from Bricked Coco a long time ago. So if you are set on Coco, I understand. But you will have a repeat of this grow if you attempt Biotabs/Coco/Autopots. You will have wasted 8+ Months and have little product that is subpar at best. A plant grown in a Beer cup of Coco fed nutrients daily would do better than 3 gal of Coco and Biotabs. Im dead serious. So once you decide to use Nutrients with your Coco, i can help you with that. Because I can already tell you wont do soil by your comments, even tho it is the only thing I can promote the use of Biotabs with. You have to choose one or the other Brother. Unfortunately Biotabs are meant for Organic growing, which Coco is not meant for in return. Start thinking differently, especially if your goal is perpetual growing. Here to help. Peace, slow
Thanks. The autopots system I bought is a smart pot autopot system sold by autopots with smart pots made for the autopots on there. I do thank you for taking the time to give the information. I have emailed the biotabs people to ask for recommendations on why they advertise that coco perlite works with the biotabs if many people say it would not. Though I have read grow journals from many people that coco perlite has worked with biotabs. I have the gh main 3 bottled nutrients but I do not want to deal with daily measuring ec levels. If I had more room to have more tents and room to do all that testing and stuff I would be more likely to try that but I am in an apartment and I want to be in the tent as little as possible. I do not want to water to runoff every day and test the runoff for ec and ph and all that. I am not trying to be lazy I just do not have a lot of room in the apartment to do that kind of stuff and I want the tent open as little as possible to keep the odor down on there. I may try a soil mix but if I do I would do something to try to remove bugs and bug eggs from it before I put the plants in it. I simply do not want bugs to get in the tent. I know that people have said you may get bugs later in coco or soil but with soil it happens more often that they are in the bag with it. If it is as easy as running a mix of water and peroxide through it is enough to get rid of fungus gnat eggs etc. then I would be more likely to try that. I plan to look up more information on how to remove pests from bags of soil then decide if I want to try that on there.
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What strains are you doing? Not many Autos that only take 8 weeks More like 3 months start to finish, longer with some strains with dry time especially. When doing perpetual growing having consistent sized plants that finish in a certsin amount of time to keep your rotations. How do you plan on removing bugs from soil before using it? You realize that you can have fungus gnats in Hydro just as bad or worse than soil or Coco? There is a chance you have pests in your Coco right now. Especially with unhealthy plants, the chances go up. You can have gnats come in from outside, it is spring time, and infest your grow Coco is not inmune to pests. Do you have any pest management techniques that you currently use? Good luck, slow
Thanks. I know that you can have problems with pests in coco. The main reason I do not want to use bagged soil is that I have read many reviews from people that the bagged soil had the bugs in it when you buy it. I think that the coco in the brick would have a lot lower amount of that happening than bagged soil would. I keep the tent clean with mesh over the openings. If I do get bugs I would deal with it then. Either way I do not want to use soil unless I have to and if I do then I would do something to treat it like maybe mix in neem oil with it. The autos I am doing are listed to be like 10-12 weeks from seed to harvest. If you plant 2 plants every like 6 weeks then you could likely harvest 2 plants every like 6 weeks in it. I want like 4 ounces from the plants every harvest. I have read about people getting from 2-4 ounces per plant so I am hoping I can do 4 ounces from 2 plants every harvest on there.
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Dont take this the wrong way, but you want a lot of things that are just not possible without compromising. You want to have a water only Coco grow. That is not going to provide you with 2 oz per plant every 2 months. You would be lucky to get 1 oz per plant. And it will be garbage quality and wont be done every 2 months unless you do Sour Cracks only. You cannot do perpetual growing in a 32x32 tent without another tent. It is impossible unless you are usi g 2 liter bottles, not Autopots. You keep saying " I read that you can use Coco and perlite with Autopots and Biotabs" Sure you can. You can grow a plant from start to finish, it just will be garbage. Do you see a bunch of people posting nice harvest pics on here using Biotabs and Coco? No, because it doesnt work well.
What strains are you doing next exactly? That alone determines how many you can do per run. Pot size mattersx especially in Coco. Breeders use a range. 10-12 weeks is 3 months, plus drying time. Different phemos get different sized and take different amounts of time. You are a new grower and using Biotabs and Coco will not yield 4oz. You can yield 2oz per plant if you use Biotabs and soil, strain depending. In Coco with nutrients, you could yield 10+oz in that space per plant. But that would be 1 plant and strain specific. Lots of factors in yields and plant sizes. You seem to believe what you "read" a little too much. Do you really think Biotabs is going to say they dont work in Coco? You are on an Autoflowering Cannabis forum, and we have a lot of hands on experience with Autos and their specific needs, they are differnt than Photos even. Biotabs and Autopots are used to grow many diffetent things besides Cannabis. Keep that in mind when you are reading about things. Peace, slow
Thanks. I do not expect the plants to be done in 2 months. You plant plants 1 and 2 then 6 weeks later you plant plants 3 and 4 then 6 weeks later plants 1 and 2 would have been in the tent 12 weeks then you harvest those then every 6 weeks you could likely harvest 2 of the plants on there.
I have read on different forums with people doing the biotabs with coco though here are 2 popular threads on this forum
https://www.autoflower.org/threads/...os-with-coco-in-autopots-using-biotabs.59015/ - 2 autos with almost 4 oz per plant
Thank you again for the information. I do plan to try it in coco then if that does not work I plan to try soil though I really do not want to. I have already paid a lot and want to use what I have and that is the coco on there.
I have read on different forums with people doing the biotabs with coco though here are 2 popular threads on this forum
https://www.autoflower.org/threads/...os-with-coco-in-autopots-using-biotabs.59015/ - 2 autos with almost 4 oz per plant
Thank you again for the information. I do plan to try it in coco then if that does not work I plan to try soil though I really do not want to. I have already paid a lot and want to use what I have and that is the coco on there.
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slowandeasy
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Cool man, seems like you have a plan and want to give Coco and dry ammendments another shot. Good luck, but dont be upset when the results are subpar again. Biotabs are just dry ammendments compressed together. They are slow release, taking 3 weeks to even break down and have effects on your plants. Coco demands Daily nutrients, that are NOT slow release. Once you get this concept, you will understand why your results are not what you hope to be. In a perfect world Coco would work amazing with just water and dry ammendments. Unfortunately, this is not a perfect world and weather crushed up or in Biotab form...Coco is not meant for dry ammendments and slow release feedings. However feedling a pot of Coco 5 times per DAY with a pump, timer, and nutes will grow a massive plant that is perfectly healthy. If you read a little on Coco and Nutrients you can find many recipes thst require NO pH meters and no testing of water ever. In fact I can give you a Coco recipe with GH Micro/Bloom and Calmag that will grow any Coco plant start to finish without a meter. 6ml Micro 9ml.Bloom and 5 ml Calmag. pH will be within ideal range when using RO water. Advanced Nutrients is pH perfect and never need a pH meter. Green Planet nutes work amazingly well and the pH is very stable. Plenty of nutes that work start to finish in Autopots without needing a pH meter, they are very pH stable. I encourage you to do some more research on Autopots and Coco. There are some growers on here that pull 12+ oz from a single plant wit Autopots and Nutes. Treating Coco as it should be treated, like Hydro and you will get Hydro like yields. Good luck brother! Peace slow.
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