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Remember Saab 99's back in the 60's came with a semi automatic transmission. You needed the clutch for first and reverse. If you bought a vehicle with an automatic transmission and had to shift it manually through the gears wouldn't you be pissed off?
 
I think people choose fast auto males from photo's for breeding, instead of ruderalis ... cause ya need to put in work with the ruds.
any plant has the potential to auto.. those are usually recommended to stay away from in breeding, that's why I'm fascinated with auto's.
they started out shit... terrible smoke. they are def. getting wayyyyyy better.
my guess on this whole Shabazz would be that the photo genetics are being triggered through some sort of stress.
so hobbes' answer seems most correct.. but the very term "stable" is untrue for any auto being a multiple hybrid


... but what do I know

and your natural reaction is to cut trim cure smoke.... i'd say you've been bred to automatically do that... or prove us wrong and let the plant just live and die
 
so just to get that right :D

If i am using an autoflowering strain but have to add fertilizer by myself it is not an auto anymore
but if i am using a supersoil and i am not using a timer for watering it is an auto again.

What if i am using autopots, connected to the waterhose and a self refilling system so the tank stays full, combined with supersoil so i dont have to fertilize by myself and use a photoperiod seed. Is this considered as auto?

also since i need to harvest myself and even smoke it myself is it then again a non auto?
C'mon.. really?

What's your definition of the word auto?
 
I was thinking I would try this out with two 3 gallon pots going to get a 400 watt led set up and a few clamp lamps. I think I should be able to do 2 auto to completion in here.
I would offer these word of advice " when your growing autos if it works for you than it's okay " :thumbsup:
 
Monarda didyma [Bee Balm] and Asclepias tuberosa [Orange Butterfly Bush]

Both heavy attractors for bees, butterflies and hummingbirds. Kind of opened a can of worms with these two plus a few other plants I added to the back patio - tons of bees and wasps around now..lol

I wanted pollinators ..so I got them in gangs :fire:

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Well they could have called it hyper or mega or brutal, the name is irrelevant.
To see a real difference we need someone to grow it side by side and make a journal.

If we can see there that the moment of of switching to flower is delayed by an unusual time compared to "normal" auto's, then it should be considered as a different type of autoflowering. ( better get a mass study with 1k+ plants to see how often this happens )
If the delay of switching really increases potency, then it needs to be checked, but again if it has an unusual high potency it also needs to checked if this is a side-effect of that delayed switch or something else.
Even when it has a different reason why its potency is higher, then it doesnt make it a normal auto because of that delayed switch.



My definition says that an autoflower CAN handle 18+ hours for flower but doesnt have to. You can grow automatics also with swtiching to 12/12 for flower. The yield just wont be that good.
My definition says nothing about the produced yiled. If you got an autostrain that produces more yield with a 18/6 cycle and a different strain that produces more yield with a 12/12 cycle then both are automatics.
Thats not an opposite, thats just a case where the auto-strain is grown with a 12/12 cycle for the flower period and resulted in producing more yield when grown with a 12/12 cycle instead of 18/6.

For me it looks like this:
You got photo's. These once got devided into sativa and indica because they are different even tho both switch to flower with a 12/12 cycle.
You got auto's. Now these are going to get devided into normal, super and semi autoflowering because they all switch on their own into flower but are different to each other.



You dont need to push a semi-auto into flowering by changing the light cycle, it is just recommended to change the cycle once the plant has switched to flowering because that strain produces more yield with 12/12 than with 18/6.

Just because some normal autoflowering plants didnt switch to flower by theirselfes doesnt mean that this is because of beeing an unknown or unlabeled "semi-auto". It can have many reasons which sometimes cant be detected.

What about the energy costs? I could run a seed to harvest run with a semi-auto that takes all it needs for veg and switches on its own to flower and then produce as much yield as a normal auto with only 66% of the energy costs.

It is like a using clones from a motherplant that get straight into the flower room, but just with seeds, without the need of an extra room ( space, light, costs ) for the mother and with almost the same time needed and more yield. ( sure u dont got the same strain all over your growspace, but u can grow many different strains at once without the need of having a motherplant for that strain )

by the way, no agressive attitude behind this :D just to be sure...

also i am waiting for a response from @Son of Hobbes on this text from me.
 
I agree. And that's just it. A semi auto, like I am growing right now, flowers out of its own. I had her on 16/12 as seedling and during veg and she started showing sex on day 21 under that light regime. A few days later, as recommended, I switched the lights to 12/12.
She flowered without me having to switch to 12/12. So, she's an autoflower. Just because I switched to 12/12 after she started flowering doesn't make her a photoperiod.
It seems to me that this point doesn't come across...
Also, I could, if I wanted, keep her on 24 hours of light, and she would also finish her cycle and produce. Just not as much.
Just because the yield becomes less if you don't stick to the manufacturer's advice on Ow to treat an autoflowering plant, doesn't make that plant become a photoperiod plant.

The definition of an autoflowering plant is tied to a DNA characteristic that @L0wbob2017 has already explained. In my opinion there's no room for any other characteristic of cannabis plants that can be uniquely attributed to autoflowers. Size, nor duration of the vegetative state matter. Just the fact that it will flower regardless of the duration of day/night.

That being said, I know that Ruderalis can handle 24 hours of light. The only problem is none of the autoflowers we grow are 100% Ruderalis. If there is a high predominance of (in my case) Sativa genes, the usual way cannabis grows could come into play. And by that I mean that nighttime might be needed. Because, actually, the growth of cannabis can be largely split up into two different processes. one that happens during daytime: photosynthesis, simply put, creates energy in the form of oxygen and a carbon that will act as energy source at nighttime for converting sugars into building blocks. For normal cannabis plants splitting these processes up is much more efficient than doing both at the same time during daytime (*edited: nighttime). Because, then what...sleep at night and do nothing at all? We don't either. We repair our bodies with sleep. They do as well.

So, when a breeder has succeeded in creating a plant that has autoflowering DNA, and therefore will flower regardless of the light cycle, but acknowledges that because of the high dominance of the Sativa genes it's better to switch to 12/12 to get the best results. I am actually, thinking: "These guys know their stuff!" And also:"Saves me 12 hours of light for 6-8 weeks and still yield the same as usual!"

Just saying....:pass:
 
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