Calling out bad Autoflower genetics/actors

[mdabber]

I've seen growers make s1 to save clone onlys I think it works. It's just not the exact same plant. But it is better to grab a clone if you can but honestly things in the cannabis community get bastardized. Someone plants a bagseed and they call it the clone only. They can also breed out herms by stressing plants and selecting the ones that don't here. But yeah if you buy an s1 of a gg4 that you know herms and then complain it herms do your research lol but a breeder should tell about herms in the seedline. I've never done an s1 myself so I can't say for sure. I know backcrossing is a way they make clones in seed form.

 

[mdabber]

Also even if you know the parents or have them sometime you just get really lucky and get a crazy cut that is 1 outta a 1000 and they would not get that result again. I don't know if you ever heard of radioactive gardening, they put radioactive material in the soil and cause mutations it's how the modern wheat was found and Ruby red grapefruits. It's the mutant freaks that make the clone onlys the one that is different than everything else. For a clone to be passed around it had to have something special about it or people wouldn't keep her alive.

 

[Brownthumbs]

Is it? Where's the horse fetus' in an egg that I'm supposed to buy? How do I tell which egg is going to produce my Arabian horse?

When someone buys seeds they really have no idea what is going to be the end result. Period.

It doesn't matter if you are Married to the breeder, mistakes can be made that are entirely out of your control.

Horse pictures though. Alright.

Do I have to sit on that egg 12/12, then change it up? Or will it auto-hatch!! Also, what H-generation is it???

 

[olbobcat]

Also even if you know the parents or have them sometime you just get really lucky and get a crazy cut that is 1 outta a 1000 and they would not get that result again. I don't know if you ever heard of radioactive gardening, they put radioactive material in the soil and cause mutations it's how the modern wheat was found and Ruby red grapefruits. It's the mutant freaks that make the clone onlys the one that is different than everything else. For a clone to be passed around it had to have something special about it or people wouldn't keep her alive.

The particles from the sun hit conifers and produce witches' brooms. Mutations can be caused by bacteria, and fungus as well. People will hunt these down. They look like a ball growing on a branch mostly. When they take cuttings and grow them out they can look like all kinds of shapes. That is how a lot of the conifer varieties come about. The horstmann's silberlocke Korean fir came from irradiated seeds. Mushrooms can have a bacteria transfer DNA from one type to another per Alan Rockefeller. Tissue culture is another way that most new garden plants come about. The tissue cultures are a high cull rate but there are some stars, besides what you are trying to achieve. A lot of these plants go untested to market. They put out 500000 plants and then they don't make it through the winter. A lot of vegetable seeds are f1 hybrids.
It is not a flip of a coin. It is the flip of 10000 coins and one lands on its edge.

 

[BII]

With auto strains, with cloning not practical, with seeds the method of propagation/reproduction, should we simply expect more unavoidable variation from generation to generation (vs. say photos where plant cloning is common)?

Related to this, how do auto breeders not using genetic/metabolic testing confirm that each lot/batch/generation of seeds has remained true to type or the 'same,' that there has been no significant genetic or phenotypic changes/mutations with each auto seed generation? Most are stuck with just field testing, don't have any real lab. facilities (or needed expertise), so do they grow to harvest a statistically valid sampling of seeds and only then sell the batch/lot of seeds; or is there just no real quality control with most auto seeds?

 

[TexasGrows]

I am not against taking say X crossing with Y and naming it W. That is breeding, its what everyone has to do to make something new they can then name.

In my previous posts i'm talking more about those that claim they are selling you a...let's use Gorilla Glue Auto.

I just looked up Gorilla Glue Auto seeds from a few different seed banks. Some did make the claim that theirs is a cross of GG4 and a ruderalis. Most would not say anything about the lineage.

One made the claim theirs had won the Cannabis Cup and Jamaican Cup. We all know that's an honor held by the actual breeder of GG4 not some Auto thrown together by this seed resale company. This " gorilla glue auto" did not win any cups but they sure wrote it that way, while never mentioning if they even used real GG in the breeding.

So let's use me as the new seed buyer.

I have never seen or smoked what I can say is Gorilla Glue. So how in the world do I have any idea what any of the seed I looked up really are? None are from the actual breeder. None are from someone that I know has a real GG4 to cross with, maybe they do maybe they don't.

I have only advertising hype to go on. I will now be assuming that none are like real Gorilla Glue.

They make for good smoke, I have grown a few from a well known seed seller. However I have also grown and smoked a couple of their gelato auto and really couldn't see or tell the difference in the plants or the smoke.

Being a few years into this growing side of things and knowing more I suspect they're the same seeds.

Those are what I would call fake or likely fake seeds. They didn't come from the actual Gorilla Glue/Gelato breeder or a distributor. When two different ones are grown out they look and smoke the same. They are likely the same seeds. They came in tiny zip locks with a printed white labels.

I honestly had not thought about it before. I have smoked for decades but smoked what we could get. Nothing had names. Never considered names until now that Im growing.

 

[Weedkiller]

The most nerve wracking thing for me when I started was obtaining seeds..I've grown bag seed and it wasn't worth my time or resources. I figure if I put all this money into growing I should at least start with good genetics from a bank i trust.

 

[mdabber]

Yeah autos are hard to keep consistent with a photo you can keep the parents alive as clones. If you need to expand you can just take more clones have a friend run seeds off those clones. Yeah it's probably better to get a strain that isn't named after a hype strain because it's very hard to get all the traits of a clone only into seed form as an auto. If you want to grow gg4 your better off finding a breeder with their own version of it as a photo. Because you are right alot of them are taking a hype strain doing minimal work to lock in the traits or they are not even using that strain at all. Just like people tell you their weed is the latest hype strain. It's just marketing. Breeding photos into autos is alot of work it takes 4 generation to breed out the photo trait. Although if you aren't a hardcore smoker it might not matter having diversity in the auto Gene pool so you can try different stuff. But if you want the craziest strain that's like 30 percent your gonna have to find her and keep her alive. All the autos I've grown I've liked but they aren't quite as potent as some clone onlys. Like when when the local dispensary grows wedding cake and GMO they test at 30percent. They just don't have the same quality as a home grower. But they still have the thc. Altho even if it's 30 percent in my experience it doesn't work as good after awhile and a less potent strain with different cannabinoids with different terpenes affects you differently.

 

[mdabber]

The most nerve wracking thing for me when I started was obtaining seeds..I've grown bag seed and it wasn't worth my time or resources. I figure if I put all this money into growing I should at least start with good genetics from a bank i trust.

My experience with bag seed is it's good if the weed is good. There's a bagseed I grew I wish I had a cut of

 

[Weedkiller]

I agree, I grow inmune also. I've spoiled people to where they can't get high off what they buy off street. I look fot breeders that go f5 at least. It takes years to cross strains to stability. Avoid the latest and greatest. Stick with trusted breeders like mosca,mephisto, barneys farm,dinafem ..these guys are the real deal. Spend the extra few bucks and you won't be disappointed...my humble opinion