Calling out bad Autoflower genetics/actors

[DCLXVI]

I just thought it was interesting to point out specific genetic expressions that separate an Arabian from another horse. They are all horses, but what is the difference that makes them what they are. You are certainly correct @Dreary that most of us won't know what we are going to have as the end result.

Although to your point about the egg. Most horse breeders sell genetic horse material specifically for breeding in the hopes that those winning race horse genes pass on. The Arabian horse you are trying to buy or breed for is usually pretty well guaranteed if the lineage is strong and you know both parents to be, I suppose purebreeds.

Same with dogs. You wouldn't take your pug to breed with another say champion pug and then be surprised with a collie?

 

[mdabber]

I ain't saying you can't get scammed in the US or It's all a European problen.

I am saying I will stick to buying directly from the breeder if at all possible. If not then I would buy from US breeders at a.US bank.

Example
If I want say Bruce banner. I feel I will be much more.likely to get real Bruce Banner buying straight from Dark Horse Genetics. Or if not then buy Dark Horse Genetics Bruce Banner from a US seed bank that carries that line.

And by using only US sources I will get my order in days with no Customs issues.

Or just only by from banks that are recommended by breeders. Some people are just resellers and some people are authorized distributors. The authorized ones might be better because they want to keep being one. I've seen those sites with every strain some of them might be lying.

 

[mdabber]

The description should match the plants also if it says citrus your should smell citrus. It might not be exact because of different opinions different people smell different phenos different feeds. Like electric qoolaid I grew says raspberry lemonade it is like that a little. Mostly lemony like Trainwreck. My friend noticed lemon pepper smell I never noticed the peppery notes till he said something. Great smoke.

 

[Weedkiller]

I wish I was better at describing my smoke..I just know this shit is miles from where I started. I'm 53. We had good Columbian gold and even Jamaica red bud in NY...seedy block weed is just a bad memory! Remember when a half ounce was 30 bucks for half a bag. M
Ah the good ol days...

 

[Weedkiller]

I'm popping these magic beans today

 

[mdabber]

Lsd is a great plant I have some Copa seeds im gonna sprout at some point early glue x black domina. I wonder are they talking about lsd from Barney's. Or the lsd that is like candy

 

[The Bedroom Gardener UK]

I've been stung a few times by different resellers, especially in the early days when packs would be split & you'd get a seed in a bag with a torn off bit of original packing. This will continue as there is zero quality control, due to the fact that Cannabis is still illegal in most places. Who am I going to complain to about my packet of 'souvenier' seeds not being what I thought?

When I first started growing this didn't seem to be such an issue, I felt there was a lot of openness and decency to the weed business. Now I feel it is mostly about money, how much you can make & how quick you can do it. Gimme another big name, another blockbuster strain every day.

Yes, there are great & decent breeders out there (we promote some of them on here), but trying to buy seeds from them is a nightmare as they sell out instantly. That puts you back in the hands of the assholes who only want your money, and round and round we go.

 

[Weedkiller]

Lsd is a great plant I have some Copa seeds im gonna sprout at some point early glue x black domina. I wonder are they talking about lsd from Barney's. Or the lsd that is like candy

The lsd were freebies

 

[BII]

The way I see it, you understand.
Let's use Dark Horse Genetics and his baby that he bred Bruce Banner. His Bruce Banner seeds (barring small pheno differences) produced reliable and repeatable results. However, all of a sudden seed banks world wide were selling Bruce Banner at OG Bruce Banner premium (or not). But these seeds are not and couldn't be DHG Bruce Banner.

The seeds you buy may still produce great weed, just not the weed you were expecting or paid for.

This and other responses imply that there is only 1 true/honest/non-fake source for any specific newly-bred strain, and that it is the "genetics" (presumably seeds having unique gene sequences) that define each strain. But aren't we (growers) really only interested in phenotypes, the results, not genetics, about which neither we nor most breeders really know anything at all?

So plants that look, grow, act (same cannabinoid profile), etc. the same, have the same phenotype, and have some common/related ancestry cannot be called or are not effectively the same strain? If someone else's seeds are effectively phenotypically and pharmacologically identical, why aren't they validly the 'same' strain (in sense of deserving the same commercial name), particularly since hardly any but a few big breeders actually know any of the "genetics" (not even top-level genetic markers, much less extensive or full gene sequencing) of what they're working with?

For example, if X and Y breeders "Gorilla Glue" seeds have different ancestry/genetics but look, grow, have cannabinoid profiles, etc. substantially identical/indistinguishable (and both within normal phenotype variance with whatever is considered that strain's expected identity/definition), why aren't or can't they both validly be sold as "Gorilla Glue?"

 

[Blu_tri]

@BII, brother that is a very good one ^^^. So the question is, do you buy actual gorilla glue? Or do you buy gorilla glue type?
The only way to get 100% gorilla glue is to buy a clone.
Just as BII said, they don’t have a clue what it’s father is. It could have been an open pollination, or hermie situation just as many suggest. The truth is, they can’t duplicate the results because they have no clue of the parentage. So it goes into the clone only pile and is not used for breeding purposes. When you hang in photo rooms, you read about these occurrences every day.
Also, professional breeders do not s1 clone only strains. Those are “quick buck” guys that are just trying to sell you seeds.
To buy seeds from plants that weren’t meant to be breed, and then complain when they do not perform is oxymoronic.
So to buy an autoflower that’s composed of these,
“clone only”,
“hyped strains”,
“elite strains”,
or whatever they are calling this week, just doesn’t make any sense.
So if you aren’t planning to work these type of strains into something more useful, it’s best to just grow it out for smoke.
And yes, we all know that they smoke pretty good. But it’s hardly ever that’s these strains are offered in seed form from the original breeder. That’s to protect his money maker. Or better yet, because he know it comes from a hermie.
I’m speaking to everyone as a breeder, I’m not trying knock anyone’s product. I buy seeds just like the next guy.

As you see I have some of the same type of seeds that I’m referring to. And that how I know what I know about them. So do your research.
Also price doesn’t make it any better than a freebie if it isn’t breed correctly.
I try to stick to what the professionals are breeding. Peace.