Auto only commercial grow?

[Death The Cultivator]

Not stable enough yet... have been in the bay area California for 50 yrs, gelato 33 needs to look, smell, taste and hit like gelato 33. The 33 stands for the 33rd cut from a run of many gelato mothers. Only one made the cut, was cloned and became a superstar. For market, you run superstars, not maybe superstars.

That is the real challenge. I'm not paying commercial prices for okay weed. Buuuutttt a lot of people are in love with mids and below and there are companies getting into that market.

 

[Arthur]

That is the real challenge. I'm not paying commercial prices for okay weed. Buuuutttt a lot of people are in love with mids and below and there are companies getting into that market.

Most smokers (again what I see here in ca) are uneducated as to what good weed is, if it gets you high is all that matters... I was the same, when I was 15.
What you can buy at any one of the 80k sqft grows around me locally I wouldn't pay the advertised (on billboards) 15$ an eigth , its bunk... I see stuff coming out of there that couldn't have been sold 25 or 30 yrs ago, it'd get the crap kicked out of you. But your right, people buy it...

Even the "high end" bs they're pushing has to be packed in nitrogen and just turns to dust when its opened.

People are welcome to get into that market, I get pissed with a meh run (just had one), I can't imagine that being my "goal". And those that know smoke roll right on past those storefronts, looking for growers doing it the way we've done it for a generation.

 

[Boognelson87]

Not stable enough yet... have been in the bay area California for 50 yrs, gelato 33 needs to look, smell, taste and hit like gelato 33. The 33 stands for the 33rd cut from a run of many gelato mothers. Only one made the cut, was cloned and became a superstar. For market, you run superstars, not maybe superstars.

Agreed. That's the problem I see with it. even my f3s I got going of my own cross. All 5 are different. I've grown 3 kinds that's got very close in similar phenos but even had some of same that wasnt. Not commercial scale stuff. My friend buys certain strains Cuz he knows what hes getting. Like you say. Autos well.. grow 15 blue dreams and get 15 different kinds. I think once you get to that stability you have to make sacrifices dont you? Vigor yield potency? With autos?

 

[Arthur]

Agreed. That's the problem I see with it. even my f3s I got going of my own cross. All 5 are different. I've grown 3 kinds that's got very close in similar phenos but even had some of same that wasnt. Not commercial scale stuff. My friend buys certain strains Cuz he knows what hes getting. Like you say. Autos well.. grow 15 blue dreams and get 15 different kinds. I think once you get to that stability you have to make sacrifices dont you? Vigor yield potency? With autos?

Guess we'll find out!

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Most smokers (again what I see here in ca) are uneducated as to what good weed is, if it gets you high is all that matters... I was the same, when I was 15.
What you can buy at any one of the 80k sqft grows around me locally I wouldn't pay the advertised (on billboards) 15$ an eigth , its bunk... I see stuff coming out of there that couldn't have been sold 25 or 30 yrs ago, it'd get the crap kicked out of you. But your right, people buy it...

Even the "high end" bs they're pushing has to be packed in nitrogen and just turns to dust when its opened.

People are welcome to get into that market, I get pissed with a meh run (just had one), I can't imagine that being my "goal". And those that know smoke roll right on past those storefronts, looking for growers doing it the way we've done it for a generation.

It's a 1st world problem exacerbated by ignorance and legalization. I had nearly a year of meh runs and it is not pleasing to the smoke pallet. I need taste and aroma with a depth to the high rather than a blatant buzz.

I think it will work itself out to where there's a market for boutique, mids, and everything else. Same thing kind of happening with grow lighting, they all do the same things but with trade-offs at each price tier. The advantage is that for weed and lights you can DIY lol.

Consistency matters to some so I won't how much of an influence will autos have on the market for people that care. Compared to clones that are consistent, I could see autos flourishing for OD growers compared with the cost of indoor and maintaining several phases of plant life.

 

[Arthur]

I'd like to agree with you, but currently the idea of making a boutique operation is over the top in prohibitive costs... I don't know anyone with a million plus to drop on paperwork alone. Given the state has fucked over medical patients to get to the $ from rec, why wouldn't they turn around and fuck the rec people for a chance to increase their take?

And, given that they make laws to pick our pockets, I would expect weed to go the way of hard alcohol with home grows made illegal. You can have your smoke, purchased from the state run dispensary.
All hail the state.
None of the laws I've seen have been made with users, medical or rec in mind. Their minds on your money cause your money's on their mind. They'd like it in their pocket, not yours.

 

[Death The Cultivator]

I'd like to agree with you, but currently the idea of making a boutique operation is over the top in prohibitive costs... I don't know anyone with a million plus to drop on paperwork alone. Given the state has fucked over medical patients to get to the $ from rec, why wouldn't they turn around and fuck the rec people for a chance to increase their take?

And, given that they make laws to pick our pockets, I would expect weed to go the way of hard alcohol with home grows made illegal. You can have your smoke, purchased from the state run dispensary.
All hail the state.
None of the laws I've seen have been made with users, medical or rec in mind. Their minds on your money cause your money's on their mind. They'd like it in their pocket, not yours.

I agree with you and part of why I still don't tell anyone I grow. Though I see a renaissance coming and things may very well change in unexpected ways. Right now everyone wants to grow and profit but I think it is very much an art like cooking. Can have the best ingredients but if the meal isn't delicious...

 

[Arthur]

I agree with you and part of why I still don't tell anyone I grow. Though I see a renaissance coming and things may very well change in unexpected ways. Right now everyone wants to grow and profit but I think it is very much an art like cooking. Can have the best ingredients but if the meal isn't delicious...

We shall see, I have lost faith in people and what they will do.

 

[jadaway]

I think if you planned to do outdoor grows then a greenhouse with lights would serve your purposes best. The issue as Proph said, is the lack of consistency from pheno to pheno while there are production goals to meet. Have you accounted for seed failures? What about autos that don't auto? That will require a 12/12 or removal. By v

If you really wanted to do autos you would have to eventually breed your own seeds. I don't see autos as a lucrative venture indoors especially as we're seeing companies expanding their tissue cultures. With TC, one explant aka mother plant, can generate 70k clones and do it in way less space than it will take you to breed autos or photo growers' dedicated mom/clone rooms.

As far as yield goes, you have more control over veg time with photos and the beautiful SOG technique that can yield 1oz per plant. Talking 140g per sqft with no veg time and a equal turn around time to autos without having to prune or do anything.

Imo, I don't see a full auto commercial grow working smoothly unless it's outdoors or in a greenhouse. Look at @derek420colorado LAG - light assisted greenhouse. With something like that, I believe you would be better off. Otherwise I think your competition, harvest, production goals, and labor would be too much just to get an additional 20% that could be done with c02.

I see the merit in saving money upfront but compared to running photos, I see money being lost or at the least not getting your full dues using autos.

I should have stated that I’m in the southeast (high humidity and pests). I have a fan/pad cooled greenhouse. I expect that 75% of production is for extract. It would be 100% if I get my wish.

 

[jadaway]

Growing grade A flower at scale indoor is not what I want to do. Trying to grow grade A flower in a greenhouse appears almost impossible year round in the south. Honestly, I don’t buy grade A flower for my head stash. I pass on $400 zips and buy $150 mids because I’m old school doobie guy. 75% extract and 25% midz is how I think I’ll do it. The 25% midz doesn’t turn me on either but I may need to in a vertically licensed deal.

I’m worried that pulling dep curtains in the south in august will just be a death and mold factory. Growing trees same.