Seed Bank Attitude Seedbank order seized by customs.

[blue]

You guys are right, in just a dreamer who dreams of an honest world where everybody...oh fk it, let me hop over on attitude and grab 10 critical kush seeds for a hundred bucks and turn that into a 1.5- 2 pounds, i guess that ain't to bad when you're guaranteed what genetics you get

Yeah and maybe our smoke wouldn't be so "sweet" without our spanish sweet seeds guys and our plants may not be grown with the same "passion" without our dutch friends!

It's a big business and the breeders don't get that fat from it. The seedbanks probably do.

I like to buy direct from DP - you know where the money is going.
I would buy direct from an established breeder if possible.

Although i love browsing Attitude. I really have to hold myself back when you guys are banging on about the latest and greatest strains and I can see the beans in my basket! ^_^

Edit: Awesome explanation Mitch!

Great to hear a breeders perspective from "the horses mouth" (not calling you a horse mitch :hug

 

[growbeast]

Pop mentioned why fem only..
Well, i don't know if it's a case of what came first the chicken or the egg..
but we are told by our distributor that there's minimal demand for regular seeds, not everyone is like a forum member interested in the plant and growing to the point of wanting to make their own seeds, some people
just want to set and grow commercially where males are redundant, then to the smaller scale growers, if you have a limited space and are growing for bud only do you want to lose plants to them being males.
Maybe some prices are getting out of control from some people.. I haven't checked in a long time, but historically there's always been hyped brands and beans selling for a silly amount.
but if you spend 80 bucks on 7 fems, how much weed can you buy for the same? Of course there's time and cost and risk to grow your own but I'm guessing you can pull way more in value than the original
cost.
for us we would like to produce regs, they are easier to make, less space required, less time, way more ease, but if there's no market and we are stuck with stock we can't sell.. It's a waste.

Also in regard to producing seeds in mass selling through any of the distributors, we only make 30% of the retail price, some make even less.
and it's not like that 30% is pure profit, packaging costs, tax, bills etc

cheers

Thanks for your input mephisto. I agree with you, we are getting far more product for the price then we would buying product off the street, or even a dispensary for that matter. Akso its pretty cool we get to talk direct to you guys right here at Afn.

I can admit i jumped the gun a bit concerning seed price without properly considering all angels of the situation

 

[Waximus]

Pop mentioned why fem only..
Well, i don't know if it's a case of what came first the chicken or the egg..
but we are told by our distributor that there's minimal demand for regular seeds, not everyone is like a forum member interested in the plant and growing to the point of wanting to make their own seeds, some people
just want to set and grow commercially where males are redundant, then to the smaller scale growers, if you have a limited space and are growing for bud only do you want to lose plants to them being males.
Maybe some prices are getting out of control from some people.. I haven't checked in a long time, but historically there's always been hyped brands and beans selling for a silly amount.
but if you spend 80 bucks on 7 fems, how much weed can you buy for the same? Of course there's time and cost and risk to grow your own but I'm guessing you can pull way more in value than the original
cost.
for us we would like to produce regs, they are easier to make, less space required, less time, way more ease, but if there's no market and we are stuck with stock we can't sell.. It's a waste.

Also in regard to producing seeds in mass selling through any of the distributors, we only make 30% of the retail price, some make even less.
and it's not like that 30% is pure profit, packaging costs, tax, bills etc

cheers

Hi Mitch, I hold your input as most informed on the subject. I'm grateful you piped in on the discussion Personally, I would rather deal directly with a breeder for the very point that they will receive the $$$ for their work, rather than it being sliced up by middlemen/brokers. Its similar to my music work- If I sell "my CD" on iTunes, I make 60% and that at a lower unit price. If I sell same CD at a gig-direct marketed... lol- I make $15, all of it. And, after expenses to produce, etc, I make 75%ish.. There is the scale of distribution that can make high quantity worthwhile, however, in reality, it often ends up being more profitable to sell directly, even in smaller quantity.
Of course, we are talking about a primarily contraband "product", which changes the profit equation to supply+demand+risk factor, which will always drive up the cost/price, making the broker the most likely "winner" in the profit race.

 

[mephisto]

Some breeders and companies are of course making a lot of money...
dinafem for example who sell through other distributors, have their own distribution company too, but here they're really massive making and selling millions of seeds a year.
for us we are at the other end of the spectrum, we would prefer a higher percentage from the distributor of course, but they also sell to other shops (online and real world) who again need to make their mark up.
the distributors do earn something for the work they do, they need to pay salaries for their employees etc etc.

To me it's smarter to make seeds, if you can market them and add value, which is where the real work is.. Otherwise a seed is just a seed and worthless.
it would be easier to grow bud only, but there's much more risk IMO

food for thought, cheers mitch

 

[mephisto]

Ps I'm not arguing, just giving you guys an insight into the end prices you pay

 

[MikeyB420]

Edit: Awesome explanation Mitch! Great to hear a breeders perspective from "the horses mouth" (not calling you a horse mitch :hug

Ditto!

It's a waste. Also in regard to producing seeds in mass selling through any of the distributors, we only make 30% of the retail price, some make even less.and it's not like that 30% is pure profit, packaging costs, tax, bills etc cheers

Got to have sharp mind!

Some breeders and companies are of course making a lot of money...
dinafem for example who sell through other distributors, have their own distribution company too, but here they're really massive making and selling millions of seeds a year.
for us we are at the other end of the spectrum, we would prefer a higher percentage from the distributor of course, but they also sell to other shops (online and real world) who again need to make their mark up.
the distributors do earn something for the work they do, they need to pay salaries for their employees etc etc.

To me it's smarter to make seeds, if you can market them and add value, which is where the real work is.. Otherwise a seed is just a seed and worthless.
it would be easier to grow bud only, but there's much more risk IMO

food for thought, cheers mitch

:thumbs:

Just my 2p's worth!

PAL

MB.

 

[Grey Bear]

If you are getting the seed you paid for, I think the private closet grower is getting a pretty good deal @10$-$20 per seed for newly released superior genetics.
Older genetics will begin to go down in price as other breeders produce their own versions of those original strains.
Those breeders that have a stellar reputation will likely limit their runs and keep their prices a bit higher.
And as far as offering fem only, again for the private closet grower, males are a liability. They take up space, nutrients, and light that the private grower usually does not have to offer.

Doing the work to develop a fixed recognizable strain, often takes several years and then you have jobbers coming behind you to profit on your R & D.
It is that way in most "hobby" industries, especially where livestock or plants are concerned.

Truly commercial growers will have no problem producing their own seed.

Bottom line, products are only worth what people will pay. If something is what you consider high priced, that is the reason. Other people, think it is worth it.

 

[Waximus]

Well, the 'Tude order arrived! By a different postal carrier, to the door... It seems the "random item" was smashed inside, and she asked if I wanted to open it to check damage. Ha! "No. I'm on the phone. I'll contact the sender." And, those seeds were coddled, present, and accounted for! *sigh*

 

[pop22]

Its to bad all these growers on one forum, plus all those other forums, and we don't group together and completely cut out the major seed banks over charging us.

We are more then capabel of producing or own genetics, working together.

If its ever legal, we can form a co-op!

 

[Dr Fluff]

Some breeders and companies are of course making a lot of money...
dinafem for example who sell through other distributors, have their own distribution company too, but here they're really massive making and selling millions of seeds a year.
for us we are at the other end of the spectrum, we would prefer a higher percentage from the distributor of course, but they also sell to other shops (online and real world) who again need to make their mark up.
the distributors do earn something for the work they do, they need to pay salaries for their employees etc etc.

To me it's smarter to make seeds, if you can market them and add value, which is where the real work is.. Otherwise a seed is just a seed and worthless.
it would be easier to grow bud only, but there's much more risk IMO

food for thought, cheers mitch

Recently I got an E-mail from seedsmans asking me if I would fill in their customer survey.
As part of their survey they asked me which is my favorite seed breeder, my answer was "Mephisto" they also asked me to explain why you were my favorite, my answer was along the lines of " the fact that mephisto are really open and like to provide a transparent view of their work and farm. I also said I was impressed by the way you were always happy to help answer questions in forums and were all round decent guys.
So I would like to say thanks for you open and honest approach and all the support you give to us here in the forums.
It is true what they say - what goes around comes around :kusht::karma Cloud:

Wishing you all a Feliz Navidad at Mephisto