A few breeding questions..

[EverythingsHazy]

If some plants self pollinate, why would using vs over and over on the offspring to create new generations do anything but help stabilize it after several?

Also, how many generations breeding (using one plant and forcing it to make pollen each generation/ or using two plants and only getting pollen from one to use on the other if that would be different for the purpose of making them stable would it take for a cannabis strain to be a true pure breeding strain. And would that finally eliminate phenotypes? It should shouldn't it?

I know the basic breeding rules for some other plants but since cannabis has male and female plants, and autoflowera that you cant keep for backcrossing, I thought i'd ask if I was missing anything lol

 

[Epic Genetics]

If some plants self pollinate, why would using vs over and over on the offspring to create new generations do anything but help stabilize it after several?

Also, how many generations breeding (using one plant and forcing it to make pollen each generation/ or using two plants and only getting pollen from one to use on the other if that would be different for the purpose of making them stable would it take for a cannabis strain to be a true pure breeding strain. And would that finally eliminate phenotypes? It should shouldn't it?

I know the basic breeding rules for some other plants but since cannabis has male and female plants, and autoflowera that you cant keep for backcrossing, I thought i'd ask if I was missing anything lol

i dont know if i could honestly say you could ever breed out having multiple phenotypes , breed for consistent uniformity yes , as for autos and not being able to keep one around , just use seeds from the most desirable plants and discard or grow out seeds from any plants that were not impressive , you can breed for the traits you want when breeding autos , it just isnt as easy as with photos and being able to keep clones

sorry if i missed anything , ive got a head ache from hell at the moment

peace

 

[EverythingsHazy]

i dont know if i could honestly say you could ever breed out having multiple phenotypes , breed for consistent uniformity yes , as for autos and not being able to keep one around , just use seeds from the most desirable plants and discard or grow out seeds from any plants that were not impressive , you can breed for the traits you want when breeding autos , it just isnt as easy as with photos and being able to keep clones

sorry if i missed anything , ive got a head ache from hell at the moment

peace

Thanks...

With autos, I don't see how constantly selfing plants from one original one would be that bad. Especially if you sometimes mixed in a different sibling. Thats the only way to get these auto strain seeds anyway so dutch passion has to be using pollen from a chemically forced male and sharing it with other females, or just selfing it to get their fem seeds. All these years and nothing but improved quality so far. I think the odds of getting a mutation that is not only bad, but that will pass on to the future offspring into one of the seeds created via selfing, AND then picking that seed out as the one you reverse the sex of for your next seed run, is highly highly unlikely.

 

[Epic Genetics]

Thanks...

With autos, I don't see how constantly selfing plants from one original one would be that bad. Especially if you sometimes mixed in a different sibling. Thats the only way to get these auto strain seeds anyway so dutch passion has to be using pollen from a chemically forced male and sharing it with other females, or just selfing it to get their fem seeds. All these years and nothing but improved quality so far. I think the odds of getting a mutation that is not only bad, but that will pass on to the future offspring into one of the seeds created via selfing, AND then picking that seed out as the one you reverse the sex of for your next seed run, is highly highly unlikely.

they could have a photo mother and father with a large stable batch of breeding stock ruderalis seeds , it only takes a few f-gens to be at full auto

with a 3 year+ auto project i have going i have been to full auto a couple times and then bx to the original photo mom then continue from there , im just a lil guy and im sure the big guys are set up far better but still do similar , only faster

hope that made sense lol

p.s. some plants/strains are better ibl's then others , some dont do well with it for long

 

[EverythingsHazy]

they could have a photo mother and father with a large stable batch of breeding stock ruderalis seeds , it only takes a few f-gens to be at full auto

with a 3 year+ auto project i have going i have been to full auto a couple times and then bx to the original photo mom then continue from there , im just a lil guy and im sure the big guys are set up far better but still do similar , only faster

hope that made sense lol

p.s. some plants/strains are better ibl's then others , some dont do well with it for long

That's true, but then wouldn't that not be considered the same strain. I thought the difference between a strain and a basic cross was that a strain was bred for several (7+) generations (f1xf1 f2xf2 f3xf3 etc) until it was stabilized and then able to be called a strain, and with that, it would be expected that it would breed true to type if selfed or crossed with another plant of that strain.

 

[Epic Genetics]

That's true, but then wouldn't that not be considered the same strain. I thought the difference between a strain and a basic cross was that a strain was bred for several (7+) generations (f1xf1 f2xf2 f3xf3 etc) until it was stabilized and then able to be called a strain, and with that, it would be expected that it would breed true to type if selfed or crossed with another plant of that strain.

there is more to it , some strains are f1 out of sheer luck , some are f1 from P stock that had multiple F gens before the first mating/cross , some strains are ibl

your best bet would be to google for free online books , cannabis and normal plant breeding , i only say google it because there is sooooo much to know/learn about breeding it takes pages and pages to type , read , teach , and learn

its quite a topic/subject , and many famous plant biologists still fight among themselves as to whats right and wrong , some very old info still holds true today , some info has been proven wrong or improved on and will most likely continue to

i hold no biology degree , but have read/learned from some of the best , and as said , id advise downloading an online copy of plant breeding as well as a cannabis specific version if you are truly interested in breeding beyond simple pollen chucking

best of luck and peace

 

[EverythingsHazy]

there is more to it , some strains are f1 out of sheer luck , some are f1 from P stock that had multiple F gens before the first mating/cross , some strains are ibl

your best bet would be to google for free online books , cannabis and normal plant breeding , i only say google it because there is sooooo much to know/learn about breeding it takes pages and pages to type , read , teach , and learn

its quite a topic/subject , and many famous plant biologists still fight among themselves as to whats right and wrong , some very old info still holds true today , some info has been proven wrong or improved on and will most likely continue to

i hold no biology degree , but have read/learned from some of the best , and as said , id advise downloading an online copy of plant breeding as well as a cannabis specific version if you are truly interested in breeding beyond simple pollen chucking

best of luck and peace

Definitely will.. I don't like not knowing things so I'll be spending a ton of hours going through breeding/genetics info for sure.

 

[Epic Genetics]

Definitely will.. I don't like not knowing things so I'll be spending a ton of hours going through breeding/genetics info for sure.

its addictive and like i said , pages and pages to read , enough to fill a book , oh wait,,,,

lol peace

 

[Epic Genetics]

hope you dont think im brushing you to the side by saying download some plant biology/breeding books , it just sounds to me like you have some passion and more questions then the thread title would make it appear , im happy to sit here talking breeding with you , just pointing out that you would be very well off by dloading what i mentioned

peace

 

[Pistils]

colloidal silver has seemed to worked on a lot of different grow journals. people make their own journals with colloidal silver generators, here's a link you can check out. Like b0b said, there's so much info out there.


https://www.autoflower.org/f25/make-your-own-coloidal-silver-solution-6163.html

good luck