2 plants one stunted growth and now burnt leaves.

[Teetharebones]

I have three plants going two are the same age, the one on the right is Mephisto white crack and the one on the left is Tyrone Special. Middle is a bagseed.
Anyways the two on the outside are the same age, 37 from sprout.
I noticed today I've got some burnt areas on one leaf, I'm assuming nute burn. I'm not sure though.
I'm doing a no till/organic grow.
I topped dressed with EWC and alfalfa meal. As I do every watering.
I watered yesterday with 1 gallon distilled water, molasses, coconut water with aloe vera juice, and pottasium silicate.
The only new addition that the plants haven't had is the coconut water with aloe.

Previous watering 7 days ago with distilled water, Liquid seaweed, fish emulsion, sea salt.

On the healthier plant I did notice some burnt tips on newer growth. As I'm writing this I'm thinking the problem is probably the alfalfa meal. Maybe too much nitrogen? If this is the case what should I do? I don't water to run off. If need be i obviously can but I may remove too many goodies from my soil.


Edit: I'm growing in compost, ewc, peat, perlite mix. Also have about 9 worms in each pot. I do not check ph every time, I just found distilled water with 6.5ph that I buy. Temperatures range from 75 to 82 and humidity is between 45-55.

Edit 2: I'm leaning towards potassium defiency now. Anyone have a good remedy for an organic grow, preferably something I could get at any garden store or Amazon. Also that's assuming I've diagnosed it properly.

 

[Teetharebones]

Here's a good side view so you can really see the difference between the two.

 

[Teetharebones]

The stunted one also has denser bud sites than the other one.

 

[Heavily Medicated]

I think you are right about the N tox. The color is very dark green, and you see how the tips of the leaves are clawing down on the tips and the tips are beginning to burn, those are all indications of too much N. The plant will take in more N than is needed if things are too hot. The plant tries to store this excess N and creates the nute burn. I also think you are right about the K def. The leaves with the burning on each leaflet around the edges is typical of K def , although it could be advanceing nute burn too, but the color on that plant is not as dark green as the other two if the photos are true, so I am leaning towards the K def. I am not real up on the organic end of supplementation, but I think I would not be putting any kind of sea salt, excess salts are the root of pH and uptake troubles. You definately need to back off on your N somehow. As the plants move more into flowering, they use less and less N and tox can come on quickly. Someone more in the know with organics, like @Son of Hobbes or @Waira, should be checking in soon. Good luck.

 

[Teetharebones]

I think you are right about the N tox. The color is very dark green, and you see how the tips of the leaves are clawing down on the tips and the tips are beginning to burn, those are all indications of too much N. The plant will take in more N than is needed if things are too hot. The plant tries to store this excess N and creates the nute burn. I also think you are right about the K def. The leaves with the burning on each leaflet around the edges is typical of K def , although it could be advanceing nute burn too, but the color on that plant is not as dark green as the other two if the photos are true, so I am leaning towards the K def. I am not real up on the organic end of supplementation, but I think I would not be putting any kind of sea salt, excess salts are the root of pH and uptake troubles. You definately need to back off on your N somehow. As the plants move more into flowering, they use less and less N and tox can come on quickly. Someone more in the know with organics, like @Son of Hobbes or @Waira, should be checking in soon. Good luck.

I greatly appreciate the help, the reason I added sea salt is because I'm using distilled water, maybe that's my first problem, and I read it needed sea salt to mineralize it.
I also didn't realize alfalfa meal is fast acting and it's 3-1-2 NPK, so I will omit that the remainder of the cycle.
Looks like I need to omit fish emulsion as well, it's 5-1-1.
Only other thing I have to add are liquid seaweed, 0-0-1 and EWC.
Hopefully the organic guys can chime in and suggest something high in P and K that I could add.
I do have some lactobacillius I'm working on now, I should be adding milk to it tomorrow, I don't think this will help with the problem but should help the soil a bit.
Once again thank you for your help!

 

[Waira]

HM! -- I'm laggin' on a PM tp you mate,...don't expect Hobbstah here though! he got bigger feesh to fryyy,...!

>> Tee'- :smoking: looks like HM and yourself have this pretty much figured, i agree with assessments made,...well, nute burn aside-- I don't see enough inputs of that to cause it,... but what has gone in is very low on P and K, which you need right now to get fat-phat buds going! ...K is what I see deficient mostly, the tell is the yellow/browning out at the 'teeth" and tips,... most organic sources can be slow to get in, needing breakdown time, but others are already there like bat/bird poops,... in fact, Roots Organic makes HPK 0-5-4 (or close to that, liquid bat poo basically), and there's GO BioThrive bloom 2-4-4,... something like their BioBud would be great to, as a mild bloom stimulant and nute source,... you current regiment is lacking in some areas, like certain micronutrients (kelp won't cover all the bases)... Earth Juice Microblast is an excellent product that will suite your needs and grow method... i don't see any issues yet, but as is true in many deficiencies, by the time they show actual symptoms, the defc. has already been affecting the plant! prevention is always a good idea, even with the most KISS grows,..
... sea salt you say? How much per gal or whatever? I know a few who do this, and Cl is a true micronutrient, but the Na is useless at best, toxic at low levels too,.. unless you have significant run-off from watering/feeding, I'd be very careful with it... my mate used about 1/4 tsp/qt, 1-2x a week,... that said, a dedicated Ca-Mg product, or even molasses (1tsp/qt) will help cover the mineral bases some, and help with pH buffering that's lacking in very pure waters (little to no CaCO3 in them; it's the carbonate molecule that's involved with the buffering),...plus the sugars will fire up the soil herd helping cycle nutes around faster and increase availability,... I hate to bury you in product recommendations, but these basics will pay off in better buds, and fewer troubles,.... at least the EWC will help keep the population #'s and diversity up!

 

[Teetharebones]

HM! -- I'm laggin' on a PM tp you mate,...don't expect Hobbstah here though! he got bigger feesh to fryyy,...!

>> Tee'- :smoking: looks like HM and yourself have this pretty much figured, i agree with assessments made,...well, nute burn aside-- I don't see enough inputs of that to cause it,... but what has gone in is very low on P and K, which you need right now to get fat-phat buds going! ...K is what I see deficient mostly, the tell is the yellow/browning out at the 'teeth" and tips,... most organic sources can be slow to get in, needing breakdown time, but others are already there like bat/bird poops,... in fact, Roots Organic makes HPK 0-5-4 (or close to that, liquid bat poo basically), and there's GO BioThrive bloom 2-4-4,... something like their BioBud would be great to, as a mild bloom stimulant and nute source,... you current regiment is lacking in some areas, like certain micronutrients (kelp won't cover all the bases)... Earth Juice Microblast is an excellent product that will suite your needs and grow method... i don't see any issues yet, but as is true in many deficiencies, by the time they show actual symptoms, the defc. has already been affecting the plant! prevention is always a good idea, even with the most KISS grows,..
... sea salt you say? How much per gal or whatever? I know a few who do this, and Cl is a true micronutrient, but the Na is useless at best, toxic at low levels too,.. unless you have significant run-off from watering/feeding, I'd be very careful with it... my mate used about 1/4 tsp/qt, 1-2x a week,... that said, a dedicated Ca-Mg product, or even molasses (1tsp/qt) will help cover the mineral bases some, and help with pH buffering that's lacking in very pure waters (little to no CaCO3 in them; it's the carbonate molecule that's involved with the buffering),...plus the sugars will fire up the soil herd helping cycle nutes around faster and increase availability,... I hate to bury you in product recommendations, but these basics will pay off in better buds, and fewer troubles,.... at least the EWC will help keep the population #'s and diversity up!

Thanks for that wealth of knowledge!
I've been toying with the idea of of using bottled nutes next grow, take the guess work out of what I'm doing. I'm not sure if any local stores carry roots but I'll see what they have.

If I do finish with bottled nutes, albeit organic, will I need to flush the soil before harvest?

Also I was planning on using vegamatrix, do you have any experience with that brand?

I was adding 1/8tsp of salt to my water.
Once again thank you so much for the help!

 

[Waira]

...no need with organics, and flushing in general isn't necessary unless you've been hammering her with nute's, usually not with auto's being more touchy about this vs photo's,... For AFN's convention, flushing is when you pour through large amounts of water to clear the pot of excess salts, help fix pH, etc.,.. not the best thing for them unless it's needed! Cleansing is when you stop feeds for a week or so, to allow the medium and plant to use up any stored reserves, since excess nute's built up in plant tissues can foul the smoke,... Most nute feed schedules have a 'flush" period, which is what some of us others call a cleanse,... I've not used Vegamatrix, but my buddy Briman has, and he likes them! ... salt amount is OK-- per gallon I assume?

 

[Teetharebones]

I spent too much time over on Reddit before I found this place. They want to flush everything
I'm glad i now know the difference between flushing and what I meant I needed to do would be cleansing.
Good to know I think I'll order vegamatrix before my next grow and I found a hydroponics store that carries roots, so I'm going to pick up some HPK tonight.
Yes the 1/8 tsp is per gallon.
Once again thanks man.

 

[Teetharebones]

...no need with organics, and flushing in general isn't necessary unless you've been hammering her with nute's, usually not with auto's being more touchy about this vs photo's,... For AFN's convention, flushing is when you pour through large amounts of water to clear the pot of excess salts, help fix pH, etc.,.. not the best thing for them unless it's needed! Cleansing is when you stop feeds for a week or so, to allow the medium and plant to use up any stored reserves, since excess nute's built up in plant tissues can foul the smoke,... Most nute feed schedules have a 'flush" period, which is what some of us others call a cleanse,... I've not used Vegamatrix, but my buddy Briman has, and he likes them! ... salt amount is OK-- per gallon I assume?

So my local hydroponic supply didn't have what I wanted so I went with fox farms big bloom and did a foliar feeding, wanted to get some quick feeding.