Indoor Growing Scrog

[KingRatt]

oh okay. would the 420autoflower scrog method work with dwc system just like in the picture below, rockwool on top of the dwc bucket, instead of a big pot of coco or rockwool below the smaller rockwool on top?
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Possibly, i know that it works with coco as well. Do you have experience with DWC? If so, im sure you can adapt as needed. If its your first time growing i would recommend trying it exactly as he does, if you have some understanding of hydroponics and DWC specifically then you should have no problem adapting as necessary. Alot of the method has to do with specific timing, if you are familiar with the autoflower genetics then it should be a little easier. But keep in mind not all genetics are ideal for this method. You want bigger strains that take their time. Im not sure of your level of skill in the garden so i cant really speak to whats possible for you. I say go for it! Start at the beginning and read the whole thread! Lots of info there! He explains everything he does in detail, reading it all will give you the best understanding of whether or not you think you are capable .

 

[DOA]

I did DWC for three grows, total 6 plants, low stress training, with 3-4 oz yields per plant. I'm near harvest with a rockwool 4" cube, 6" rockwool cube and 1/2 6" cube, beneath -- one of Professor 420's assemblies. I have twice the plant size vs DWC, and we'll see what the net is, but best guess, twice the yield. Maybe more. I would do it 420's way, all the way. I think you'll be pleased.

Good man

 

[Lil Dab]

is the reason using the upper rockwool qube in the 420autoflower scrog method to make longer roots than usual, or does it have other additional values other than that?

Gives the vigorous growth in the small pot and then when stacked it helps extend the veg time to get a bigger plant.

I didn’t find this necessary growing in coco I started in final home 3 gallon pot but I’m very familiar with this method and have grown big plants before I just mainly used his training and defoliation methods timing is crucial.

If your just starting out and want to do what he does follow his setup exactly. If you already have a proven method of growing then just add his training and defoliation method to improve your setup

 

[KingRatt]

Regarding, "Yes, yes and yes" answers to my questions: So this includes bud potency and quality being improved vs. conventional growing methods (ignoring any larf)?

So is this method simply the best overall growing method for potency and quality (if not, what is)? Other than there being more of them, what is actually different with the buds - bud size and density; sepal size/shape; trichome density and potency; terpene profiles; etc.? How much better overall are this Method grown buds vs. say using DTW with coco/perlite or living soil (for which many claim quality benefits)? Is this supported by any objective evidence, such as THC and terpene chemical analysis?

Living soils have their own benefits, many claiming the absolute best in terms of quality, terps and potency. That being said, Top colas are always more potent and denser and usually contain more cannabinoids than lower buds that get less light. So there is a benefit right there. Im sure there is a way to adapt to organic hydro if that is your aim, but the biggest benefits i see from the 420method are way better yields, and no/less larf, all top colas. The only downside i see is that seed to harvest times are a few weeks longer. If you want bigger harvests of better quality buds try it! If you are chasing the ultimate terps and potency then i think organic living soils might be worth a t try! Tho yields will be nowhere near the 420autoflower method! There is also alot of advanced science in lighting that can be used to increase terps and potency that can be combined with any method. Whatever you decide keep us posted! For reals tho im pretty sure Sensei @420autoflower is the only person getting 3-4lb autoflowers!!! Aside from those who have adopted his methods!

 

[growhead420]

im starting out i just found out that 420autoflower scrog method seems crazy in results. i think i will copy his method fully, without dwc buckets.
excited to try it looks amazing

 

[KingRatt]

Hello, question about the 420autoflower scrog method.
Do you pour water to the top rockwool? What other things you mix the coco coir with? Are there suggestions for the bottom pot size in gallons?

And do you always use clones to do the 420autoflower scrog method, because i will try making like 4 seeds of autoflowers and use the method.
Thanks

This is a very advanced method that requires many different high and low stress training techniques. If you are new to growing i wouldnt try to adapt anything.

 

[Mongoose]

Possibly, i know that it works with coco as well. Do you have experience with DWC? If so, im sure you can adapt as needed. If its your first time growing i would recommend trying it exactly as he does, if you have some understanding of hydroponics and DWC specifically then you should have no problem adapting as necessary. Alot of the method has to do with specific timing, if you are familiar with the autoflower genetics then it should be a little easier. But keep in mind not all genetics are ideal for this method. You want bigger strains that take their time. Im not sure of your level of skill in the garden so i cant really speak to whats possible for you. I say go for it! Start at the beginning and read the whole thread! Lots of info there! He explains everything he does in detail, reading it all will give you the best understanding of whether or not you think you are capable .

I'm officially volunteering to help assemble, copy edit, and graphic-design, an official: "The 420autoflower Way", or something like that, PDF document. That's what I used to do for a living. As others have rightly noted, seems to me 420 should be able to monetize something like that. I don't know. But I would happily do my part to help, gratis.

 

[KingRatt]

im starting out i just found out that 420autoflower scrog method seems crazy in results. i think i will copy his method fully, without dwc buckets.
excited to try it looks amazing

I agree, if you are new research his methods and try to emulate exactly! Invest in a good ph pen and extra calibration solution. What you are attempting is not a beginner method, but if you research and keep the environment and the nutrient solution in their correct parameters, you should be fine! My best advice is start reading! Autoflowers can be tempermental so choose a strain that is recommended for beginners so you get the best results. Strains labeled as expert can be very tempermental!!! And choose an xl or heavy yielding strain as well, small fast indicas will be hard to adapt. Tell me more about your setup amd what youll be growing if you already have seeds ready!

 

[Sandor]

No offense but I don't think a first time grower should be doing any HST at all. Honestly, not even LST. You don't go tuning a car before you've ever driven one ever at all.

He won't know the plant, nutrient regime, the right timing, won't have the right tools... IMHO, a first timer should grow stuff "naturally", figure out what a normal grow looks like, THEN start trying to mess with stuff after a WHILE - and 420AFs method is just a whole bunch of advanced techniques combined. For a beginner... I mean... do what you like man, I sincerely wish you all the best of luck, but I believe you'd do yourself a favor learning to walk before trying to beat Usain Bolt.

Don't mean to be a party-pooper but a first timer should be starting out gently. This is world record stuff. Just my 2c.

EDIT: KingRatt said it while I was writing, it's really not for beginners. Still, try it if you feel like you're up for it, but don't have illusions of ultra-mega-crops the first time, trying lots of knowledge-requiring methods (just to not kill or seriously stunt your plants) all at once...

EDIT: And to add something more positive as well, as for the question if DWC generally works for the method - I'm trying it for the first time myself. That little plant of mine is still about 2 months away from harvest, in a smaller tent and at 1/4 the wattage 420AF uses, but I'm pretty happy with her - can't complain about any lack of growth, quite the opposite actually, schwazzing her weekly at the moment just to keep RH down (and all the other reasons). Ignore the crappy Amazon under-net lamps, just had those lying around, being useless, giving them a try

 

[Lil Dab]

I've had my hands full with it that's for sure