DIY Carbon Dioxide Systems

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Recently Ive been checking out CO2 systems for plants. I seem to be only coming across expensive systems that are not really designed for small grows.

As I am strapped of cash I made my self a homemade CO2 system which literally cost me in the region of £5 for everything. It use's about £2 worth of ingredients a week so its pretty cost effective for someone who is a new indoor grower like me.

Basically I went the local store and bought a few sachets of active yeast, sugar and air tubing (the tubing used for fish tanks ect). The yeast must be active/alive so it will ferment along with the sugar to produce CO2. It says on the packets so just check if you want to give this idea a go.

I got 2x 2L plastic bottles, rapped them in tin foil and some insulation. I then made a mixture of yeast and sugar along with luke warm water in a jug and tipped them into the bottles. I made a small hole in the cap of the bottle for the air tubing and sealed this to make sure it was air tight and did the same to the other bottle. These 2 tubes where placed into a 1l container via a small hole in the wall of the bottle. This is so as the solution brews any over flowing liquid will go into the empty bottle and not onto the plants. The bottle which is empty has a tube coming out the lid and goes right next to a circulating fan. This is to allow even distribution of CO2 around the plants to help them grow.

Ive noticed it makes alot of CO2! This is the same method how companies or hobby alcohol makers brew there stuff :)
 

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i think you may find that it's not really going to be enough for you to notice that you use it, or if you don't. i know alot of growers will swear by the co2 benefits. as far as what i've seen, as was said here unless you are a large commercial setup, and can run maximum temperatures in your grow room, say in the 85F range while your giving the co2, you just won't get any noticeable improvements. best of luck with your grows.
 
Yer ive noticed that too, for very good results all your factors have to be good. For example to get better growth you need good light, good CO2, good humidity, good nutrients, soil ect. They all interact with each other. After this grow I should have a better place to start them. ATM my options arnt that great, so when i move i should be able to do a decent setup to hopefully grow some very nice plants. As ive said the conditions have to be good, but there is no harm on having a little system go because all it will do is benefit the plants so why not :P
 
Cheapest, easiest, safest, most reliable, most down low CO2 generator

I think that this type of CO2 generator is sometiems called a "fizz pot" - it is, a bubbling vat of acid, water, and calcium carbonate. This is a very good co2 generator for a medium sized grow room (the room I use is about 1000 cubic feet in volume - 8 feet by 8 feet by 14 feet).

Set-up (cost):

-a common plastic five gallon bucket ($2.79)
- hydrochloric acid (called "Muriatic Acid"; 30% hydrochloric acid costs $8 for two gallons -7.5 liters - at swimming pool supply houses; Home Depot - and Safeway also - sells 14.5% hydrochloric acid @ 2 gallons for $8)
- bag of marble landscaping chips (calcium carbonate - CaCO3: $8 for a 30 pound bag at Home Depot).
- water
- an old cotton towel
- a wooden board about 16"x12"
- an old coffee pot (or large dipper - 2 quarts or more is best)

This is the chemical equation that occurs: CaCO3(s) + 2 HCl(aq)=> CaCl2(aq) + CO2(g) + H2O(l).

The hydrochloric acid dissolves the marble chips to produce CO2 and calcium chloride (much like table salt - it is not toxic but I do not recommend eating it)

1. Put a layer of marble chips in the bottom of the 5 gallon bucket.
2. Fill the bucket with water to within four inches of the rim
3. depending on the size of the grow room, EACH DAY add a CORRECT AMOUNT (see below) of Muriatic Acid
4. you will see the acid react with the marble chips to start producing co2; it starts bubbling away merrily as the acid dissolves the marble and creates co2, calcium chloride (salt) and water.
5. cover the bucket with the board, then cover the whole thing with the towel (the towel is to filter out mineral oil that occurs naturally in marble chips - see below; the board is to keep the towel from drooping into the acid/water mix - no big deal except that the acid will eventually dissolve the towel)
6. the reaction produces very salty water (calcium chloride is used for ice control on roads in the U.S.); otherwise, it is completely safe

The co2 generator can be controlled with great precision! Using the correct amount of acid allows you to save money. It is worth the trouble to take 5 minutes to understand the chemistry of the reaction - specifically, the wise grower should learn how to correctly calculate the CORRECT AMOUNT of hydrochloric acid to add each day.

Let's talk stochiometry (the science of getting stoked ... well, uh, actually stochiometry is the science of measuring chemical reactions.

First of all, you need to get your mind around the quantitative concept of a "MOLE" (a "molecular weight")

A "mole" is a specific quantity of any substance; specifically, a mole is: "6.02214179 times 10 to the 23rd power" ... blah blah blah ... In stoner talk that is 602,210,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules of calcium carbonate all piled up in one place okay?

Conveniently, ONE MOLE of calcium carbonate WEIGHSs almost exactly 100 GRAMS.

One mole of water weighs 18 grams. One mole of hydrochloric acid weighs ... who cares, you are never going to weigh any HCL

One mole of co2 weighs 44 grams. You need to understand that, once 100 grams of calcium carbonate has been converted into calcium chloride, co2, and water, the mole (44 grams) of co2 that bubbles up is 24.5 liters of co2 gas (Boyle's law at 25°C and 1 atmosphere pressure). I REPEAT: 100 GRAMS OF MARBLE CHIPS WILL PRODUCE 24.5 LITERS OF CO2 (28 liters = approx. ONE CUBIC FOOT).

See how beautiful this equation is??? 115 grams of marble chips will interact with the hydrochloric acid to produce almost exactly one cubic foot of pure co2.

One cubic foot of co2 will enrich my 8'x8'x14' grow room by precisely 1000 ppm (if the room is sealed air tight which never happens - see below).

To correctly calculate the presice amount of hydrochloric acid to use, note that:

30% HCL swimming pool acid = 9 moles of HCL per liter (about 32 moles per gallon); 14.5% HCL swimming pool acid contains 4.5 moles per liter (about 15 moles per gallon).

Note that the chemical reaction (CaCO3(s) + 2 HCl(aq) CaCl2(aq) + CO2(g) + H2O(l)) requires two moles of HCL for every one mole of calcium carbonate (to produce one mole of co2).

So then, for my 1000 cubic foot grow room, with several pounds of marble chips sitting at the bottom of five gallons of water, I will add (crudely measured) about quarter of a liter (about two moles) of 30% swimming pool acid.

SAFETY, BY-PRODUCTS, AND DISPOSAL OF THE SALT:

NEVER POUR WATER INTO PURE ACID. ALWAYS POUR THE ACID INTO THE WATER. THAT WAY IF ANYTHING SPLASHES OUT OF THE BUCKET, YOU DO NOT RISK GETTING AN ACID BURN. But don't let the word "acid" freak you out - even 29% HCl it is not especially dangerous. I do not recommend pouring acid on yourself, but even if you get pure 29% acid on you, it won't eat a hole thru your skin and muscle and corrode your bones. Actually, I don't even worry about it any more - I just wipe off anything that splashes on me and don't even notice it. Even so, a splash-out or an HCL spill is definitely to be avoided - keep a couple boxes of baking soda around to neutralize acid spills just in case. Small acid spills are somewhat unavoidable so I repeat: keep some crushed up TUMS antacid or a box of baking soda around to quickly neutralize acid spills.

Marble is limestone that has been compressed by geologic forces. You can also use marble flooring tiles which are much purer CaCO3 (but at Home Depot, they are 2x the cost as landscaping chips).

DO NOT USE RAW OR NATURALLY OCCURRING LIMESTONE - it stinks. Although limestone is almost pure calcium carbonate, country rock limestone often contains tiny quantities of sulfur dioxide and mud; it will make the gro room smell like rotten eggs, and, as the limestone dissolves, the mud particles soon created a mud shield that prevents the acid from reaching the limestone.

Broken chunks of common concrete work very well: they are free and contain very pure CaCO3. The problem with broken concrete is the weight - most common concrete contains only about 10%-15% calcium carbonate cement. ONe advantage to broken up concrete chunks is that the high quantities of sand and gravel in the concrete buffer (slow down) the reaction very nicely (thereby reducing the problem of leakage of highly concentrated CO2 out of the grow room. I have ofen thought about buying a 60 pound sack of pure CaCO# cement at home depot, mixing it up, and pouring it into 5,000 old egg cartons to produce a lifetimes' worth of handy, bite-sized pure cement CaCO3 chunks, but ... idk ...

COVERING THE FIZZ POT WITH THE TOWEL AND THE BOARD IS IMPORTANT! Marble contains naturally occurring mineral oil - the towel will filter out the vaporized mineral oil quite nicely. If you do not use the towel, after a couple weekS you will get a thin layer of mineral oil all over everything in the grow room - including the buds of your marijuana plants. It doesn't hurt them, but it doesn't help either.

Perhaps the biggest drawback to this system is that it produces alot of calcium chloride salt. Note that one mole of CaCO3 produces one mole of calcium chloride (CaCl2) salt (i.e. every day you will be generating about a quarter pound of salty salt). The CaCl2 remains dissolved in the water in the bucket - it does not get airborne. CaCL is super salty stuff - they use it up north on icey roads. Modern societies generate hundreds of thousands tons of salt waster every year and all municipal sewage treatment facilities are specifically built to treat and remove salt waste. Soo, just keep paying those utility bills and your taxes and you can feel good about safely pouring the CaCO3 water down the drain, or you can use it to kill weeds in the alley behind your house like I do.

Every week or so, it is wise to use the old coffee pot as a dipper to help you empty out the salt saturated water in the bucket. Do not try to pick up and carry the bucket - it has marble chips and heavy salt saturated water in it! Use the dipper to empty it a little at a time.

The marble chips they sell at home depot are not pure marble - there are other kinds of minerals in there too. After 2-3 weeks, you will notice that instead of just the pure white marble chips, there is also funny colored gravel in the bottom of your bucket. Don't worry about it - every month or so just dump out the gravel and replace with fresh marble chips. Using marble floor tiles (each tile weighs 7 pounds- it is pure marble - floor tiles cost about $3 each at Home Depot- also, by calculating the surface area of the broken up floor tile, you can very accurately calculate the exact weight of CaCO3 if you so desire; an Extra Strength TUMS = .5 gram pure CaCO3 for microgrowers).

The five gallons of water is called a "buffer" - it slows down the reaction quite handily. The colder the water the better to slow down the reaction. 90% of the hydrochloric acid will be used up in the first hour (thus quickly enriching the grow room) then, as the dilute acid solution continues to dissolve the marble chips, the co2 fizz pot continues to add minute amounts of co2 as the plants use it up.

Keep a small fan in the gro room to constantly stir up the air. CO2 is heavier than air and will quickly settle to the bottom of the grow room beneath where the plants can use it. Without a small fan to stir up the air, even ten cubic feet of CO2 would settle to the floor and uselessly form a layer of CO2 a few millimeters thick.

Consider the costs per day to generate :
115 grams of marble chips = about 8 cents
two moles of HCL = about 25 cents

It is soooooo easy: every day when the lights come on just dump some acid into the fizz pot, and close the door - no need to come back and replenish anything. Every week or so, check to make sure there is enough marble in the bottom of the bucket and change the water.

CO2 DISSIPATION OUT OF THE GRO ROOM: in my gro room, even though one cubic foot of co2 is all I need, I actually use twice as much as I have described. This is because my grow room is not well sealed - the warm hps lights heat the air which rises thru the ceiling and then to the top of the boathouse and leaks out through the gaps where the roof meets the walls. - the warm air carries co2 with it. Therefore co2 unavoidable leaks out for the whole time the lights are on. But who cares?? Several internet sources report that MJ plants thrive at co2 levels 700 ppm - 2000 ppm. By running up the co2 to 2500 ppm at the beginning of the light cycle, I can count on natural leakage to reduce it down to usable levels pretty quickly. (CO2 > 10,000 ppm is toxic to plants). Using twice as much CO2 as I need from the beginning does not seem to have ever hurt anything - to the contrary, it is amazing how much it helps! Especailly in vegatative phase for photoperiod plants.

I used to use a much smaller system in a 4'x2'x2' stealth microgrow. To generate tiny quantities of co2, use the plastic jugs that the Muriatic Acid came in, and carefully measure out the right concentration of hydrochloric acid and water. To enrich a 16 cubic foot grow space, I need only about half a liter of co2; about two grams of marble (.02 moles) and only about two table spoons (2/3 oz) of HCL was sufficient.

Consider all the benefits of this co2 fizz pot system:

- it's cheap
- there is no compressed air tank to leak and drown the downstairs neighbors or pets in co2
- there is no compressed air tank to arouse the paranoia of the neighbors
- everything is available locally
- the reaction can be controlled very precisely by regulating either the weight of marble or volume of acid
- it can be disassembled instantly (in case it needs to be hidden in a hurry)
- in a pinch - for example if the poli are pounding on the front door and saying they have a search warrant - the fast thinking grower could stuff all the plants into the bucket and pour the hydrocholric acid over them, thus destroying the evidence (making it untestable)

I was able to keep my grow room hidden from my wife for several months by telling her, "Do not go in the boathouse. I am using carbon dioxide to kill termites in there" (finally she figured out where I was growing all the pot I was smoking)
 
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Bonzo, just the man I've been looking for. I'm trying to decide which way to go for a 7.5 x 8.5 x 9.5 area, just over 600 cu ft room. I have some older equipment that might work, a regulator and a metering device, but they're 25 years old. I do know that when I used them years ago, they sure did the job. I had about 65 afghanis in 4 gal buckets under 5 1000w halides. The one thing I lacked was a good oxygen supply, for a couple of reasons, so I decided to shoot the CO2 to them. What a sight. Each day I watched them in awe as they put on the resin, the CO2 was truly a lifesaver. I still got a low yield over all but the buds were nice enough for the NYC market. I don't have a bottle now and might have to replace the regulator, so I think I'll re-read the above and maybe go your way.

I'm amazed at all your calculations, can you also calculate the amount of heat the 1000w bulb puts in the room? I'd have to change around my fan system somewhat, as now I'm pumping in and out using duct fans, and I have a small A.C. too. And it's just in the time for our first frost. Have you tried any autoflowers? I'm hoping that it will increase stem diameter, to me one of the biggest drawbacks to autos.

oldman
 
can you also calculate the amount of heat the 1000w bulb puts in the room? I'd have to change around my fan system somewhat, as now I'm pumping in and out using duct fans, and I have a small A.C. too. And it's just in the time for our first frost. Have you tried any autoflowers? I'm hoping that it will increase stem diameter, to me one of the biggest drawbacks to autos.

oldman

Calculating heat: each watt of power converts to 3.4 BTU's . That's great that you have an A/C unit. If the A/C unit recycles the air in your gro room, then you should be able to use the BTU rating to roughly estimate how many lights you can run. Easiest way is to google "a/c btu room size" then use the goodhousekeeping.com calculator ....

But, for me, the real problem in maintaining temperatures in the grow room seems to have more to do with the insulation of the gro room - in other words, how easily the heat can flow thru the walls. I have found that the wooden walled (uncooled) outdoor grow house (actually it is a backroom in an unused boathouse) will heat up to just about ten degrees F hotter than the average daily temperature no matter if I use just one 400w HID or 1600 watts of lighting.

I suggest that you go down to the local dollar store and get some mercury thermometers (they are the cheapest and most accurate; remember when buying thermometers that they should all read the same temperature; the ones they sell at Home Depot are worthless) set up your lights and crank up the A/C and place the thermometers around the room at different heights and observe the temperatures in your gro room for a day or two. That way you will learn about how much heat the room will hold before you start actually growing. That would really suck to plant a bunch of plants and then learn that you have too much light power for your a/c to handle.

For me, it hardly even matters if I isolate the ballasts (behind insulation) in the attic or put them on the gro room floor - even just the 400w hps bulb alone will cause the room to heat up to about 10 degrees hotter than the average daily temperature. This is not a problem for Nov-Apr because it is naturally cool enough where I live: the lights cause the gro room to heat up nicley to about 65-85 degrees for those months and the plants grow well. Heat problems start to occur occur in Oct and May and June when any lighting of 400w or above starts to cause temperatures in the sealed gro room of over 90 F. I have found that the best way to cool my gro room in late May and thr June is to crack the door a little during the cool night thereby allowing the warm air to flow out - obviously this creates a major light leak and a major security problem too. I have also used a fan blowing over ice to cool the room in May, but that only makes about a five degree difference and is alot of work making and toting ice around.

Autoflowers? Yes, I have autos now. This is my first autoflower gro op: 2xDinafem autocheese, a Pakistan Ryder, 2XDinafem autohaze, and 2x autoJack (Freedom of Seeds) in one gallon soil pots under a 4 lamp t5ho (2 blue lamps and 2 red lamps). They are all 5 weeks old and growing about an inch per day. I topped them all a couple weeks ago to slow down the height increase, but still, I have to raise the lights about an inch everyday. Everything except the autoJacks are showing good flowers - the autoJacks are flourishing, but no flowers yet ;'/. The Dinafem autohaze started flowering at two weeks and looks absofukkinlutely delicious. The Pakistan Ryder and the autocheeses started flowering at 3 weeks. The Pakistan Ryder is growing great but a little too stretchy - I have had to supercrop it to keep it from growing into the lights. At first I was using a co2 fizz pot (some one gallon jugs) and they autos did great. The problem is that the autos are growing so fast. I am using ice to cool the gro cabinet. I took away the co2 b/c the autos were growing so fast that I needed to slow them down or else they will soon out grow the gro cabinet. I figure that around 15 Oct., it will be naturally cool enough here so that I don't need to worry about cooling the gro op any more. At that time, I will transplant them into 3 gallon pots and blast them with a 600w hps and the full CO2 and UV treatment. I am hoping to have a smokeable crop around mid-Nov.

I grew some cheapo Nirvana Short Riders last year in soil with chem ferts and CO2 under 12/12 hps and they did great - surprisingly stoney pot with frosty nugs all from just one gallon soil pots. This year, I am really hoping that I can grow VSW ("very stoney weed") with just autos and not have to fukk with 12/12 ever again. So far so good!
 
Far out, right on and all that bro.......

Yeh we're on the same wavelength but I'm moving only half as fast as you I think. Room is in a house sheltered by an big oak, a big maple and 5 huge hemlock. It's a remodel and the guy got a discount on the insulation so it's even got it in the interior walls, and 6/8 inches in the ceiling. The room (and house) actually stay cooler in the summer than ambient. (The trees are the A/C's is what's happening.) It spikes about 7-8 o.c. in the evening. And goes off in the blackness of night. The a/c is a Lowes cheapo bottom of the line, but it's working well. I'm under the 1000 w halide for grow, 7pm thru the night to 1pm next day, and at 4-5 weeks switch to 1000 w bloom sodium. I run a very nearly constant 77 F and the humidity goes from 45 up to 89 or so following a watering. Very few pest problems but I originally had the yellows in previous grows I guess because of ferts too strong, and that's been corrected. Minor mildew and mites so far.

I put 16 Diesel Ryders in 4 gal buckets on a 4 by 4 table and they are doing well. My seed shows two phenotypes, a heavy duty fat leafed afghani and a very open sativa. I much prefer the indica myself, as medicinal plant, but I want the sativa there for when the good times roll. I'm after that fat stem gene, and plus the CO2 boost should make a dy-no-mite plant. My original afghani seed was very uniform, they looked like plant nursery trays of seedlings. Now I'm getting tremendous variation, so I've got to select. They increased fly-overs lately and the outside is frought with dangers these days.

I'll bet you're an engineer in your other life, as everything you've mentioned has a familiar ring to it since I studied some engineering before switching to anthropology. What a hobby this is.... The hobby is more important than the product I think. I seem to be in constant experimentation, just to see what happens. I am surprised more people don't try the CO2.

Thanks for the help, and good luck to you.....

oldman










Calculating heat: each watt of power converts to 3.4 BTU's . That's great that you have an A/C unit. If the A/C unit recycles the air in your gro room, then you should be able to use the BTU rating to roughly estimate how many lights you can run. Easiest way is to google "a/c btu room size" then use the goodhousekeeping.com calculator ....

But, for me, the real problem in maintaining temperatures in the grow room seems to have more to do with the insulation of the gro room - in other words, how easily the heat can flow thru the walls. I have found that the wooden walled (uncooled) outdoor grow house (actually it is a backroom in an unused boathouse) will heat up to just about ten degrees F hotter than the average daily temperature no matter if I use just one 400w HID or 1600 watts of lighting.

I suggest that you go down to the local dollar store and get some mercury thermometers (they are the cheapest and most accurate; remember when buying thermometers that they should all read the same temperature; the ones they sell at Home Depot are worthless) set up your lights and crank up the A/C and place the thermometers around the room at different heights and observe the temperatures in your gro room for a day or two. That way you will learn about how much heat the room will hold before you start actually growing. That would really suck to plant a bunch of plants and then learn that you have too much light power for your a/c to handle.

For me, it hardly even matters if I isolate the ballasts (behind insulation) in the attic or put them on the gro room floor - even just the 400w hps bulb alone will cause the room to heat up to about 10 degrees hotter than the average daily temperature. This is not a problem for Nov-Apr because it is naturally cool enough where I live: the lights cause the gro room to heat up nicley to about 65-85 degrees for those months and the plants grow well. Heat problems start to occur occur in Oct and May and June when any lighting of 400w or above starts to cause temperatures in the sealed gro room of over 90 F. I have found that the best way to cool my gro room in late May and thr June is to crack the door a little during the cool night thereby allowing the warm air to flow out - obviously this creates a major light leak and a major security problem too. I have also used a fan blowing over ice to cool the room in May, but that only makes about a five degree difference and is alot of work making and toting ice around.

Autoflowers? Yes, I have autos now. This is my first autoflower gro op: 2xDinafem autocheese, a Pakistan Ryder, 2XDinafem autohaze, and 2x autoJack (Freedom of Seeds) in one gallon soil pots under a 4 lamp t5ho (2 blue lamps and 2 red lamps). They are all 5 weeks old and growing about an inch per day. I topped them all a couple weeks ago to slow down the height increase, but still, I have to raise the lights about an inch everyday. Everything except the autoJacks are showing good flowers - the autoJacks are flourishing, but no flowers yet ;'/. The Dinafem autohaze started flowering at two weeks and looks absofukkinlutely delicious. The Pakistan Ryder and the autocheeses started flowering at 3 weeks. The Pakistan Ryder is growing great but a little too stretchy - I have had to supercrop it to keep it from growing into the lights. At first I was using a co2 fizz pot (some one gallon jugs) and they autos did great. The problem is that the autos are growing so fast. I am using ice to cool the gro cabinet. I took away the co2 b/c the autos were growing so fast that I needed to slow them down or else they will soon out grow the gro cabinet. I figure that around 15 Oct., it will be naturally cool enough here so that I don't need to worry about cooling the gro op any more. At that time, I will transplant them into 3 gallon pots and blast them with a 600w hps and the full CO2 and UV treatment. I am hoping to have a smokeable crop around mid-Nov.

I grew some cheapo Nirvana Short Riders last year in soil with chem ferts and CO2 under 12/12 hps and they did great - surprisingly stoney pot with frosty nugs all from just one gallon soil pots. This year, I am really hoping that I can grow VSW ("very stoney weed") with just autos and not have to fukk with 12/12 ever again. So far so good!
 
... I want the sativa there for when the good times roll. I'm after that fat stem gene, and plus the CO2 boost should make a dy-no-mite plant. oldman

Laissez les bon temps roule'! (as they say in N'Orleans)

I used good, measured co2 everyday last season and had good temps for long enough to grew some healthy plants and some very good smoke. In that gro some of the stems - the biggest ones - got to be maybe as thick ast a Sharpie pen in 3-4 months. I topped them early on to get 4-6 colas and then supercropped them like crazy to keep the canopy at the right distance from the HIDs. The big mistake I made last year was that I left way too many of the best females in one gallon containers. Great weed but got small yeilds (plus a completely out-of-control smoking habit). I should have used alot more 3 gallon containers (and not smoked so much). I ran out of weed way too early in the summer. This time around, during flowering, I am going to cut off the CO2 once the lower fans leaves start dying off.

The best idea I used last season was to use uv lights alongside the HIDs (on plants from good commerical seeds) - probably one of the best ideas of my whole life. I used 48 inch Zoomed t8 tube with a polished aluminum reflector but only on four of the plants. Uvb worked great : stick-to-your-finger gooey goodness. Incredible resin production that was much better than the non-uvb plants. Uvb seems to make everything about MJ better. I want to see what uvb will do to autos.
 
That good Bonzo? I'll try it if it's that good. I'm really enjoying the pace of growing autos, especially the 1 or 2 day germ time, then in 17/18 days I'm sexing them, then in a little more than another month they're finished. Wow.... and the next seeds I'll have already germing. I've got to get that yield up though, 1/2 oz return doesn't cut it. I've been trying to go as quickly as possible from seedling trays the first few days, then putting 2/3 seedlings to a 3 or 4 gal bucket, and giving them plenty of root room. And I'm ready for the uv lights and CO2.

Another technical question. Can infrared equipment in a plane or copter be used to pinpoint a grow on the ground? Through heavy trees and roofs, etc.?

Thanks,
Oldman
 
Another technical question. Can infrared equipment in a plane or copter be used to pinpoint a grow on the ground? Through heavy trees and roofs, etc.?

LED, CFL'S and T5's have very VERY low heat signatures. You have to have a real dedicated room with a HID(ie=1000+ watt Metal Halide, HPS and im not for sure, but maybe plasma too) to see a heat signature that big on a Flir Cam. But there really looking for the hot air coming out of the house from "ODD" places or just a mass of temp difference through thin walls. Hence they now have the Vent chillers that chill the IN and OUT Going air. ;)

This is based on watching the video/DVD "Never Get Busted, Again". Its made by Barry Cooper who was a Texas drug agent. He even talks about legal stuff. A buddy had it and its well worth the download online(easily found) just for good info. Check Filetube.com :D

Also look at info on FLIR cams. Very interesting to know what your worried about. Kinda some Sun Tzu stuff, know your enemy ;)

This is just based on research, i have yet to start a lady because i might be moving to CO depending on the Election(or Holland for 4 years) but i know enough about LED and CFL's to tell you that. Unless your running over 2000w of CFL's and/or blowing some hot air outside, your should be good. I don't think you could put that many in a room LOL. Also you can get some thermal insolation in rolls on HTG Supply(LINK) and a few other companies/websites. Piece of mind ya know.

Hope this helps.
 
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