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Has anybody else here had success with zero/minimal runoff coco grows? What approaches do you use?

I started out by hand-watering coco to 20% runoff every time, because the Coco for Cannabis site insisted it was required to prevent salt buildup. That quickly got old, so I set up automated irrigation (again, with runoff every time). That worked really well, but managing the runoff was a problem when I was away from my grow for several days, and it seemed generally wasteful. When I checked the runoff with my EC meter, it said salts weren't actually building up, so I timed my irrigation to stop just before producing runoff, and then I hand-watered extra & checked the runoff a couple times a week. Further EC testing showed that I could just water to runoff once or twice a week, at most, without significant salt buildup. That was already a massive improvement over watering to runoff every single time, but made me wonder if I could do better.

I did a bunch of research, including reading about bottom-feeding and wicking. In particular, I found an old ICMag post about a kind of modified hempy bucket where wicking rope went out the drain hole and into a surrounding bucket. (Apparently we aren't supposed to link to other forums...) This meant the bucket could be used as an extra reservoir, to supplement the area at the bottom of the hempy bucket, and the plant could also be bottom-fed by watering the outer bucket directly and then letting the plant wick it up (though in that case, multiple holes and pieces of rope may be necessary).

My previous grow was an experiment with three different kinds of wicking-based passive hydro. (The posts are on the autoflowers subreddit.) I had six different strains, all in 1-liter containers -- two with 1L airpots in small buckets, two with wicking hempy-style 1L cans in small buckets, and two with 1L plastic bottles inverted over 1 qt. runoff jars, with wicking ropes going through the bottle neck and down into the runoff jars. I did a mix of hand-watering from the top and bottom-feeding. All three containers worked out pretty well, and I was able to leave the grow twice for 5-6 days with only minor issues -- mostly because some started flowering later than others, so some wanted more nitrogen, some less. I also found that six different 1L containers wasn't too crowded for a 2x2'/60x60 cm tent, with training (LST), so I've continued with that for variety. I got about an ounce from each, except the one I accidentally topped late in veg, and found some new favorite strains. :)

The 1L airpots were my favorite container, so my current grow has five in 1L airpots and one in a plastic 2L wicking hempy (I ran out of airpots). They're in 23" windowboxes, three each. The windowboxes fit perfectly in my tent. I need to top-water the hempy, but can otherwise just dump nutrient water into the trays and let the plants wick it up. I'm intentionally following what autopots do -- only give the plants as much nutrient water as they're able to wick up within a couple hours, so there isn't water standing for days and getting stagnant. I usually water once per day, though I can see how quickly the trays dry out, and sometimes water again later in the day. The plants love it. I hand-watered from the top for the first 10 days or so, until their roots reached the bottom of the containers, and I have a small piece of rope looped through the airpot base to wick water past the small air gap. (The roots eventually grow past it.) I still hand-water from the top once every week or two, to wash out any salt buildup, but so far I've just diluted the runoff with more bottom-feeding and let them wick it up later. No issues yet. While that might not work indefinitely, autos will probably be harvested long before it matters, and the concentrated salts from one liter of drying coco shouldn't add up to all that much anyway.

Oh, and in case the specific nutrients matter -- I'm using Dyna-Gro's Foliage-Pro in veg, Bloom in flower, and their Pro-Tekt silicon supplement the whole time.
 
I don’t follow the run off rule. But I’ll get some problems sometimes late. I think one or two good run offs a grow is probably good. Switched to promix this round and been bottom feeding haven’t washed anything out yet. I run my nutes weak though that could be why I don’t have a lot of problems.
 
"One or two good runoffs a grow" sounds about right. It's a good tool to bring things back into balance, but doing it every time seems unnecessary.

I also tend to mix nutrients on the light side. I start really low with seedlings (200 us/cm or roughly 100 ppm over my tap water, which is around 275 us/cm), then gradually increase and watch how the plants react. I'm around 800-900 us/cm of nutrients most of the grow, and usually max out somewhere around an EC of 1000-1100 us/cm. I've noticed that between my tap water and base nutrients, I don't usually need to add calmag, though I do pre-charge my coco.
 
I grow in Coco Hempy Buckets, and the standard method is to feed until the mixture just starts to dribble out of the hole, then stop. The first few times I would let it go to 20% runoff once a week. I don't even bother doing that any more and the plants/harvests always look great.
 
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Has anybody else here had success with zero/minimal runoff coco grows? What approaches do you use?

I started out by hand-watering coco to 20% runoff every time, because the Coco for Cannabis site insisted it was required to prevent salt buildup. That quickly got old, so I set up automated irrigation (again, with runoff every time). That worked really well, but managing the runoff was a problem when I was away from my grow for several days, and it seemed generally wasteful. When I checked the runoff with my EC meter, it said salts weren't actually building up, so I timed my irrigation to stop just before producing runoff, and then I hand-watered extra & checked the runoff a couple times a week. Further EC testing showed that I could just water to runoff once or twice a week, at most, without significant salt buildup. That was already a massive improvement over watering to runoff every single time, but made me wonder if I could do better.

I did a bunch of research, including reading about bottom-feeding and wicking. In particular, I found an old ICMag post about a kind of modified hempy bucket where wicking rope went out the drain hole and into a surrounding bucket. (Apparently we aren't supposed to link to other forums...) This meant the bucket could be used as an extra reservoir, to supplement the area at the bottom of the hempy bucket, and the plant could also be bottom-fed by watering the outer bucket directly and then letting the plant wick it up (though in that case, multiple holes and pieces of rope may be necessary).

My previous grow was an experiment with three different kinds of wicking-based passive hydro. (The posts are on the autoflowers subreddit.) I had six different strains, all in 1-liter containers -- two with 1L airpots in small buckets, two with wicking hempy-style 1L cans in small buckets, and two with 1L plastic bottles inverted over 1 qt. runoff jars, with wicking ropes going through the bottle neck and down into the runoff jars. I did a mix of hand-watering from the top and bottom-feeding. All three containers worked out pretty well, and I was able to leave the grow twice for 5-6 days with only minor issues -- mostly because some started flowering later than others, so some wanted more nitrogen, some less. I also found that six different 1L containers wasn't too crowded for a 2x2'/60x60 cm tent, with training (LST), so I've continued with that for variety. I got about an ounce from each, except the one I accidentally topped late in veg, and found some new favorite strains. :)

The 1L airpots were my favorite container, so my current grow has five in 1L airpots and one in a plastic 2L wicking hempy (I ran out of airpots). They're in 23" windowboxes, three each. The windowboxes fit perfectly in my tent. I need to top-water the hempy, but can otherwise just dump nutrient water into the trays and let the plants wick it up. I'm intentionally following what autopots do -- only give the plants as much nutrient water as they're able to wick up within a couple hours, so there isn't water standing for days and getting stagnant. I usually water once per day, though I can see how quickly the trays dry out, and sometimes water again later in the day. The plants love it. I hand-watered from the top for the first 10 days or so, until their roots reached the bottom of the containers, and I have a small piece of rope looped through the airpot base to wick water past the small air gap. (The roots eventually grow past it.) I still hand-water from the top once every week or two, to wash out any salt buildup, but so far I've just diluted the runoff with more bottom-feeding and let them wick it up later. No issues yet. While that might not work indefinitely, autos will probably be harvested long before it matters, and the concentrated salts from one liter of drying coco shouldn't add up to all that much anyway.

Oh, and in case the specific nutrients matter -- I'm using Dyna-Gro's Foliage-Pro in veg, Bloom in flower, and their Pro-Tekt silicon supplement the whole time.
Tks for posting. I wondered about this. I always used the 20% rule but wondered if it was really necessary every time.
 
Has anybody else here had success with zero/minimal runoff coco grows? What approaches do you use?

I started out by hand-watering coco to 20% runoff every time, because the Coco for Cannabis site insisted it was required to prevent salt buildup. That quickly got old, so I set up automated irrigation (again, with runoff every time). That worked really well, but managing the runoff was a problem when I was away from my grow for several days, and it seemed generally wasteful. When I checked the runoff with my EC meter, it said salts weren't actually building up, so I timed my irrigation to stop just before producing runoff, and then I hand-watered extra & checked the runoff a couple times a week. Further EC testing showed that I could just water to runoff once or twice a week, at most, without significant salt buildup. That was already a massive improvement over watering to runoff every single time, but made me wonder if I could do better.

I did a bunch of research, including reading about bottom-feeding and wicking. In particular, I found an old ICMag post about a kind of modified hempy bucket where wicking rope went out the drain hole and into a surrounding bucket. (Apparently we aren't supposed to link to other forums...) This meant the bucket could be used as an extra reservoir, to supplement the area at the bottom of the hempy bucket, and the plant could also be bottom-fed by watering the outer bucket directly and then letting the plant wick it up (though in that case, multiple holes and pieces of rope may be necessary).

My previous grow was an experiment with three different kinds of wicking-based passive hydro. (The posts are on the autoflowers subreddit.) I had six different strains, all in 1-liter containers -- two with 1L airpots in small buckets, two with wicking hempy-style 1L cans in small buckets, and two with 1L plastic bottles inverted over 1 qt. runoff jars, with wicking ropes going through the bottle neck and down into the runoff jars. I did a mix of hand-watering from the top and bottom-feeding. All three containers worked out pretty well, and I was able to leave the grow twice for 5-6 days with only minor issues -- mostly because some started flowering later than others, so some wanted more nitrogen, some less. I also found that six different 1L containers wasn't too crowded for a 2x2'/60x60 cm tent, with training (LST), so I've continued with that for variety. I got about an ounce from each, except the one I accidentally topped late in veg, and found some new favorite strains. :)

The 1L airpots were my favorite container, so my current grow has five in 1L airpots and one in a plastic 2L wicking hempy (I ran out of airpots). They're in 23" windowboxes, three each. The windowboxes fit perfectly in my tent. I need to top-water the hempy, but can otherwise just dump nutrient water into the trays and let the plants wick it up. I'm intentionally following what autopots do -- only give the plants as much nutrient water as they're able to wick up within a couple hours, so there isn't water standing for days and getting stagnant. I usually water once per day, though I can see how quickly the trays dry out, and sometimes water again later in the day. The plants love it. I hand-watered from the top for the first 10 days or so, until their roots reached the bottom of the containers, and I have a small piece of rope looped through the airpot base to wick water past the small air gap. (The roots eventually grow past it.) I still hand-water from the top once every week or two, to wash out any salt buildup, but so far I've just diluted the runoff with more bottom-feeding and let them wick it up later. No issues yet. While that might not work indefinitely, autos will probably be harvested long before it matters, and the concentrated salts from one liter of drying coco shouldn't add up to all that much anyway.

Oh, and in case the specific nutrients matter -- I'm using Dyna-Gro's Foliage-Pro in veg, Bloom in flower, and their Pro-Tekt silicon supplement the whole time.
Just like the last person said, thanks for posting this! I too was wanting to try a bit of an experiment in the past with 1L airpots... I never did follow through- my plan was to make a tray/frame that would fit inside my 2x4 (probably make it out of wood 2x4), line it with some panda/orca type material. I’d also wrap the top of it with that very same film creating a cover/lid/canaopy. I’d have a reservoir set up using one aqua valve for the 2x4 and just use an exacto knife to cut holes in the top cover screen for the airpots to sit in so that the nutrient water isn’t just sitting exposed to light..i still might give this plan a go before the end of the year but we’ll see. I noticed Autopots USA seems to have released 2 new trays... a 3 pot try for a 2x4 using a single aqua valve, and 9 pot tray that fits inside a 4x4. I haven’t seen pricing for it yet- I did see a local grow store near me with the 4x4 tray in use/on display but they didn’t have any pricing on it yet. I think they’re calling it the auto9... it’s designed for use with Autopot XL pots or fabric 5gal pots. For me using coco and the standard 3.9 gallon Autopots was just a waste and I felt like the pots just stayed too wet for me. So I’m currently doing a grow using my Autopot system with 1gal airpots. I didn’t go the the rope route or anything for wicking as I wasn’t sure if it would be sufficient so I decided to modify my airpots using zip ties so the bottoms could be flat instead of raised in order to suck up the water.
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I haven’t started a journal on here yet but I plan on getting it up today. I’m on day 33 today. 8 Mephisto Double Grape in 1gal airpots using Autopot trays
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I’ve cut film to go around the pots to prevent the excess water in the trays from being exposed to light. I believe this pic was day 24...
 
"One or two good runoffs a grow" sounds about right. It's a good tool to bring things back into balance, but doing it every time seems unnecessary.

I also tend to mix nutrients on the light side. I start really low with seedlings (200 us/cm or roughly 100 ppm over my tap water, which is around 275 us/cm), then gradually increase and watch how the plants react. I'm around 800-900 us/cm of nutrients most of the grow, and usually max out somewhere around an EC of 1000-1100 us/cm. I've noticed that between my tap water and base nutrients, I don't usually need to add calmag, though I do pre-charge my coco.
I think you're doing a couple of things properly albeit.
Conditioning the coco is a must pending the coco supplier.
And light feedings allows the plants to take what they need, so what is in fact left over as nutes from a previous feed isn't that much.
Add to the fact you flush once or twice during the grow.
I don't believe there is a single proper way to grow in coco, just some ways better than others.
What ever works is really the name of the game, right.
 
I think you're doing a couple of things properly albeit.
Conditioning the coco is a must pending the coco supplier.
And light feedings allows the plants to take what they need, so what is in fact left over as nutes from a previous feed isn't that much.
Add to the fact you flush once or twice during the grow.
I don't believe there is a single proper way to grow in coco, just some ways better than others.
What ever works is really the name of the game, right.
Couldn’t agree with you more ! Even when I’m hand watering in coco aside from my initial precharge I never water any amount that would result in runoff. I also seem to feed on the lighter side unless I intentionally give more on a watering try to see how much a certain strain is comfortable with...
 
So I’m currently doing a grow using my Autopot system with 1gal airpots. I didn’t go the the rope route or anything for wicking as I wasn’t sure if it would be sufficient so I decided to modify my airpots using zip ties so the bottoms could be flat instead of raised in order to suck up the water.

I took pictures of how I set up my airpots for wicking so I can post that as a separate thread soon, but here's my setup: I put a plant tie through sides and across, maybe 3 holes up, and then loop a piece of rope up through the bottom, over that tie, and then back down. That wicks past the air gap, and pretty soon the roots grow past it.
 
Conditioning the coco is a must pending the coco supplier.

Agreed, I'm reusing coco that I've washed and then re-buffered between grows. I rinse it out thoroughly, screen out coco dust, and then soak the rest in water with 1-2 tsp calmag per gallon.
 
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