Photography growers screwed by af's not fully stabalized !

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I have seen a huge blowup in af strains, and thats good, but when they aren't fully auto or they don't get bigger than a can of soda thats not so good. Lets here your story and even generation, lineage, breeder if posiible.

remember fully autoflowering strains will flower under 24 hours of light! but that dosn't mean you have to.

thanks to all, mckb024
 
Yes, autos aren't fully stabilized yet, but that's part of the fun, seeing what phenotypes you may get. Remember that autos are relatively new, having only been around for about 5 years now. Give them another 5 years and the picture will be a lot different. Already breeders are working on short and bush varieties of a given strain.

Where hermies and non auto flowering plants were more common a couple years ago, they are fairly rare now. There are still runt phenos, but even a runt, grown properly, can yield an oz. or more. Of the hundreds of seeds I've grown I've only had 1 hermie and 1 that didn't auto flower. So I wouldn't say I've been screwed.
 
In my opinion,I must agree with Muddy,its a developing area...you are bound to run into some dissapointment.par for the course for me
I have seen a lot of complaints surrounding nirvana auto's,but have never had a bad result myself.
Kannabia i have seen a few issues,but mainly caused by a lack of understanding as to their growth instructions and growth period breakdown

I think a lot of the issues may also be from the more commercial banks cranking out copy of copy of copy to make a buck,and us thinking we know better than the breeder
Come to think of it,in my scouring of the net,i havent seen ANY autoflowering issues with AFN seeds,flash,mossy etc...(just my impression,i may be wrong)

I personally stunted my first auto grow to hell,12/1 lighting techniques,transplanting,late topping...then nuked em with pyrol.
All but stripped of fan leaves,1 was 4cm tall for weeks
After all of that...they finished and they still delivered good smoke.
I cant complain genetically thusfsar,but i can also say i have zero desire to throw my auto money at anyone outside of afn and automaticseed.com
 
just like alot of things in life people don't usually like to take the risk but surely want the reward
if you have room to grow even 2 plants in a pc you have room for growing seeds that will be better suited for the area you breed them in than the previous generation
i know variety is most of the reason i hear for not actively doing it which i totally understand
but w/ variety comes a variety of dif you will have to overcome it is that simple
it is always easier to standby and critisize others contributions rather than contributing
i watched auto's for along time before i pulled the trigger on setting down some hard earned coin
while there are abunch of promisses tossed around like any decision consider the source and how reliable they are
i researched mossy and lbh for a good amount of time before my decision w/ them was made
both are honest and reputable people w/ a sense to help others(not saying others aren't)
but the point is if you are going by someones word you must first find the value they place on their word and see if they hold that value higher than the value of your money
i have been fortunate and traveled alot over the years and acquired seeds from alot of places
if you buy your meat at wal-mart you can't expect to talk to the farmer that raised them
my point is there a large company that has quality issues even if it is their fault they can say our distributor is giving us issues bear w/ us for the problem and we intend to continue our wonderful service
if you buy from the distributor (farmer) than they are way less likely to have issue like this because they are representing their name and more quality standards and testing will usually take place before they introduce their contribution to be critisized by all to see
between lbh and mossy i haven't had one plant that hasn't auto flowered under 24 hours
the few issues found alot in some sativas lbh is still stabilizing but 100 % truthful about where they are he will even say this strain will sometimes hermmie knowing the word hermmie(or boogey man) in the seed world is the kiss of death or this strain is very photo sensitive but not quite auto yet
alot won't say these things in fear of loosing a buck
point is they are both trustworthy people and that is where you will find trust
but my biggggest fear for the market is people eventually not being truthful about genetics
autos are a great tool but i don't think they need to be assimilated into every photo strain to shorten grow time it is just another tool in the tool box
 
I have seen a huge blowup in af strains, and thats good, but when they aren't fully auto or they don't get bigger than a can of soda thats not so good.
thanks to all, mckb024

I don't know but I've seen people pull close to oz from plants no bigger than a soda can.
so if you look at it as two 8pks in a small grow area thats an lb. I'll take that all day long. :2cents:

:peace:
MITJ
 
buying from source is the safest way,most of my auto failings were my failings,the one thing i would sugest is a grow journal for each stain,in different mediums:peace:and good karma sj
 
I have had two strains I bought as autos that did not flower until I took them to 12/12... Kannabia Mataro Blue automatica and Nirvana autoNL. Based on my experience, the Mataro Blue has not had much work done on the autoflower side. I pollinated it with an auto and only got about 40% to auto at F1 (which is where I still am with it). On the other hand, I pollinated the Nirvana NL with the same father, and got about 70-80% auto at F1, so it would appear to me Nirvana should have selected for a couple more generations, at least. But, it seems obvious the NL was much closer to being an auto than the MB. :peace:
 
I have had two strains I bought as autos that did not flower until I took them to 12/12... Kannabia Mataro Blue automatica and Nirvana autoNL. Based on my experience, the Mataro Blue has not had much work done on the autoflower side. I pollinated it with an auto and only got about 40% to auto at F1 (which is where I still am with it). On the other hand, I pollinated the Nirvana NL with the same father, and got about 70-80% auto at F1, so it would appear to me Nirvana should have selected for a couple more generations, at least. But, it seems obvious the NL was much closer to being an auto than the MB. :peace:
thanks joe dirt these are the types of replies im looking for .

I appreciate everyones oppinion, and the fact is that I am not trying to start an argument on the ground that af's have made, because thats on the breeder alone. af x non af is going to take someone with the understanding of selective breeding 4 generations approximately to consider there new genetics to be close to stable.
and sativa lover thats good info too!
all I am trying to do is get a research thread started. btw i come in :peace:
 
muddy this is all true , and it dosn't soud like you have been screwed, but the fact is that many new growers out there have and why, because autoflowers are new, and not everyone is being honest with the beans they are putting on the market.
 
I haven't personally sampled the full range of flavors that companies are now offering as autoflowering seeds ( and if you check they definitely got more than baskin robbins nowadays) I think the biggest factor in the performance of autoflowers is the ability of the grower. When I switched to auto vs photo I burned up almost 2 whole seed packs. It sucks and is frustrating. But after that initial shock it gets a little easier. I still burn my auto's most of the time but that's on me. I now treat my auto's completely different than photos. They're kinda like re learning how to grow, and this site is the best place for a person to learn how! That being said I've had great results from : sweet seeds, flash, wos, and grass-o-matic seeds.
 
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