Yellowing, discolouration and minor spotting

Auto are very sensitive and they react very quickly. But by the time you see a problem, it usually 2x as bad as you think it is. I don’t know how to correct promix/ peat. @Proph can you help him out? Yeah I quit using fabric pots because of it holding nutrients. A plant can feed off a fabric pot forever.
 
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How old is your Promix? I’ve had low PH issues before using old bagged Promix because the lime that’s mixed in wears out and the peat goes acidic (low 5’s).
 
Pro mix doesn't have nutrients in it.. Your run off ppm should be the same as the ppm of your feeds, if not lower.. Runoff ppms are one of the only ways you can tell if, and/or how much, your plants are feeding.
That’s what I thought, which is why I’ve been feeding every time. But like I said, my runoff is always high, even on my last run where I basically had one plant given only water except one feed of 2g/gal once for the first month. The runoff was still 1000+ppm. No idea how to explain that, other than nutrient build up in the fabric? Or my own error in measuring (instrument seems fine and consistent).
One other possibility is that whatever is leftover in my lake water after filtration (60ppm) is building up?

Auto are very sensitive and they react very quickly. But by the time you see a problem, it usually 2x as bad as you think it is. I don’t know how to correct promix/ peat. @Proph can you help him out? Yeah I quit using fabric pots because of it holding nutrients. A plant can feed off a fabric pot forever.
Hmm, I knew autos were sensitive but I’ve seen people pushing a lot harder then I have and been fine. I wonder if it’s time to put the fabric pots aside and give Airpots or Autopots a try.
How old is your Promix? I’ve had low PH issues before using old bagged Promix because the lime that’s mixed in wears out and the peat goes acidic (low 5’s).
Not super old, bought at the beginning of this past summer. Though I’m not sure how long it takes before the lime starts loses its neutralizing efficiency. I have extra dolomitic lime which I’ve added in previous grows but didn’t notice a difference.
 
Did you feed any sugars. Any sugar will make your ppm go up like that. Recharge, molasses, even white table sugar... just my experience with its it. I’m not speaking for others. Cold air is dry air. The lower humidity cause plants to dry faster. That will cause your ppm’s to rise.
 
How old is your Promix? I’ve had low PH issues before using old bagged Promix because the lime that’s mixed in wears out and the peat goes acidic (low 5’s).

That would have to be some really really old ass promix lol

"Typically the pH of an unused PRO-MIX product that is 4-9 months old is 5.2-5.8 (S.M.E. method), depending on the product and the moisture content. A growing medium should be used within nine to twelve months of its manufacturing date to ensure that the pH of the unused growing medium is not too high. However, the starter fertilizer charge and wetting agent degrade over time, which often dictates the best time to use the growing medium. "

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Did you feed any sugars. Any sugar will make your ppm go up like that. Recharge, molasses, even white table sugar... just my experience with its it. I’m not speaking for others. Cold air is dry air. The lower humidity cause plants to dry faster. That will cause your ppm’s to rise.
No sugars, mostly Megacrop, but a bit of sweet Candy, CaliMagic, epsom, and tiger bloom.

I did feed and check runoff’s tonight.
For the Red Poison, 3L with 1.5g/gal MC and 0.4g/gal Kelp, total 285ppm/6.2pH. Runoff came back at 535ppm, soil pH measurements after watering were 5.4, 5.7, and 5.8.

For the Sweet Nurse’s, 3L with 2g/gal MC and 0.4g/gal Kelp, total 330ppm/6.1pH. Runoffs were much higher at 1380 and 860 ppm. Soil pH measurements were between 5.7- 6.0.

the 3L volume produced about 30-35% runoff.

I have to say, I thought the runoff of the RP vs the SN would be reverse. But there we go, interested to see people’s assessment and how they react

other thing I noticed is that even though the SN are shorter, the serrations are curling up more overall.
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But it’s not all bad, I mean, that’s a pretty reasonable looking bunch there. At least in my books, and I really dig that deep purple on the Red Poison
 
Alright, we’re 2 days after that last feed. It took a bit to dry out with that last one being a bit heavier on volume. Here’s what it looks like now
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Still looks like the lockout/deficiency is progressing but slowly. I know it’s not going to go back to normal but it may be on the right track to stabilize.

what do you guys think?
I’m feeding tonight and was going to go back up to 3g/gal MegaCrop and adding in 0.5g/gal Bud explosion, as the symptoms look like a little of both P & K deficiencies?

Additionally, one of the Sweet Nurse’s is getting some of the serration tip necrosis that I’ve seen in pics as a K Deficiency. I’m probably going to add 0.5g/gal Bud explosion to all. They are a few weeks into Flower now so it’s probably due for some.

Any suggestions or insight is appreciated, thanks
 
I went with a regular strength, balanced mix of nutes.
Each plant got 2.5L with 0.4g/gal Kelp, 0.5g/gal Sweet Candy, 3g/gal MegaCrop, and 0.5g/gal Bud Explosion, total ppm of 560 (60ppm starting)/6.1pH
I tested the runoffs of each
Red Poison - 645ppm
Left Sweet Nurse - 1200ppm
Right Sweet Nurse - 860ppm

Seems like the Red Poison runoff is reasonable for the input, but both Sweet Nurse are quite high. They starting to develop some yellowing/lightening and some other symptoms. Do you guys think I should lower their input on the next feed and give more volume for added runoff?

Should I be taking any other action?

Another thing is that I replaced my center 100w 3500K COB light for my 135w 3000K QB288 light for flowering. It allowed me to hang the light higher with its height. Dimmed to 75w for a day to transition, now up to 100w. Light intensity ranges from 400 ppfd at the lower Sweet nurse tops to 800 ppfd on the highest Red Poison cola.
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Hey @Proph & @Mañ'O'Green , I just checked the soil pH with my Apera soil probe and the healthier looking Sweet Nurse measurements were around 5.8-5.9, however the Red Poison and right Sweet nurse, which is starting to discolour as well, had measurements from 5.1-5.5. Am I correct to assume that the drop of in pot pH is the likely reason the plants are declining?
Should I be taking some action now? I could maybe do another feed today but at a higher pH of like 6.3-6.5? the medium is still moist from yesterday’s feed so it would likely have a lot of runoff which could be good to get some of the salts out of there.
I could also wait another day until they are dried up a bit but they will likely continue to decline.
Or is there another direction I should be taking with these?
Thanks
 
Hey @Proph & @Mañ'O'Green , I just checked the soil pH with my Apera soil probe and the healthier looking Sweet Nurse measurements were around 5.8-5.9, however the Red Poison and right Sweet nurse, which is starting to discolour as well, had measurements from 5.1-5.5. Am I correct to assume that the drop of in pot pH is the likely reason the plants are declining?
Should I be taking some action now? I could maybe do another feed today but at a higher pH of like 6.3-6.5? the medium is still moist from yesterday’s feed so it would likely have a lot of runoff which could be good to get some of the salts out of there.
I could also wait another day until they are dried up a bit but they will likely continue to decline.
Or is there another direction I should be taking with these?
Thanks
Soil ph isn't as big of a concern as your ppms.. That's because you're in pro mix.. Pro mix recommends 5.2-5.8. If you're feeding mix is 550 ppms, then you have to understand or know that the ppms will lower as the plant feeds. The run off should be about the same or lower than your nutrient mix.. If its higher that tells you that the plant is not feeding on the nutrients you are providing. So adding more would not be the correct answer. Again, the highest ppm I've ever used was 500-550 during the last 2 weeks of flower. I would flush (or water with plain 0 ppm water) until the ppms are in range. I'd shoot for 3-400.. Ppm meters are one of the most underrated and overlooked tools. It is the only tool that tells us if our plants are feeding and how much they are feeding. I can't say that you will see any improvement on the purple plant because it's pretty bad off.. They won't regain any color, but it should slow the spread. Your goal for that plant at this point should be to have a few healthy fan leaves left for late flower and harvest.
 
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