What Have I Done Now? Golden Leaves

[Mañ'O'Green]

I needed to know what color light the pictures were taken in for diagnostic purposes only. Always turn off the grow lights and use a 5000K light source (best) or the flash on your camera (ok) for diagnostics.

No way are your lights responsible for any thing you are seeing.

IMPE SIP and hydro styles don't work well.

You are WAY overfeeding Autoflowers and this is the source of your problems.

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

Now the spots on the leaves over the other side (by the moisture meter) make sense.

She recently got a dose of Recharge.

My usual grow nutes are Jacks 3-2-1, so I have plent of Epsom.

I'm not trying to be a helicopter parent. It's just that my other (older) current grow had a catastophic moment early on due to getting the lights wrong. The dimmer on my SP3000 is super sensitive and somehow they were cooking at 50+DLI. That forced way too much nutes up into the plant and this happened.

On Day 45 I woke up to this. I mean it happened over night.

Soon, her twin sister followed along. They were under the same light:

By Day 54 ... the necrosis was very obvious:

Even though, after eventuall) removing most of the dead leaves they are making huge colas.
But only one cola per plant. They are weird for sure.

But, you can see why am tip toeing on the star of this thread.
The bud formation is amazing despite surving a nutrient fire.

My current troubled plant did start with the SP3000, but I thought the mature flowering plants would make better use.
See how how I am able to have the light and still meet the required DLI. It's a good light.

As I said, even with most of the leaves removed or the dead part cut away, they are still in the fight.
But, since this just happened weeks ago I want to do better by my Blackstrap.
I'll include a funny pic I made when someone asked to give them a size comparison.
The front plant's bud structure is about as big as a wine bottle.

You're welcome. I really enjoy using the nutes. My largest yield from one plant recently was 22 oz. Only less than 10 oz one time at 9.9 oz from a single plant - that Sgae Scout ironically. I recently stopped weighing yields. But I grew a FB Banana recently that filled two 1 lb Grove bags. I just like to see how hard I can push autos to perform more like a photo. I have a Meph Mango Smile in the tent right now that may be the biggest yielder yet, if I can get her to stack a little more in the final month.

Bear in mind, that I have ran them at the photo doses and didn't see any real negative effects. But I no longer think it is necessary to do that either. Other than for experimentation. So don't be afraid to play around if you want and push them to gauge your results.

Other than a little cal-mag in weeks 1 and 2 when I am feeding lower doses, and a little silica here and there, I have never had a need to add anything else. Remember that calcium is an immobile nutrient so it isn't really benefitting anything as it cannot travel up the plant and can cause other issues. So no need to add any additional.

The only thing I have seen that is repeatable is that it doesn't play well with Recharge. For whatever reason that causes a mag deficiency/lockout for me. Happens every time. Even if I lower the dose of FloraFlex after using Recharge. I do keep a bag of Epsom on hand for that. But I no longer use Recharge either. Not necessary in my case. I'm sure it works for others. Enjoy.

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

Got it.

I only cranked those photos up to show the contrast between the leaves.

Later in this thread, I put more normally processed pics.

Photography has been my love for 45 years (freshman in HS), so on my Grow Journals there are tons of Glamor Shots.

On the other hand, many of them are also iPhone quality. It depends how lazy I am the day.

As for SIPS and hydro, this is my first go round. But that is discouraging news because I am lining up my next grow with photoperiods (F & R).
I planned to do 5 all in SIPS. We shall see now.

Over feeding is agreed. I have a new FloraFlex feeding chart that goes into effect immediately.

I appreciate your help. I'll make these suggested changes and if anything worthy happens I bring it to this thread.

I needed to know what color light the pictures were taken in for diagnostic purposes only. Always turn off the grow lights and use a 5000K light source (best) or the flash on your camera (ok) for diagnostics.

No way are your lights responsible for any thing you are seeing.

IMPE SIP and hydro styles don't work well.

You are WAY overfeeding Autoflowers and this is the source of your problems.

 

[Olderfart]

Shoot man, I couldn't pin that color change down to anything but, EC 3.0 seems awfully awfully high to me. I barely pushed 2.4EC on a massive photo I have going.

I also don't think I 've seen anyone run a coco/SIP before. Usually coco is a drain to waste semi-hydro style grow. Although a few do run autopots with coco. So..... I don't really know other than perhaps too strong with an unusual setup.

On the SIP the idea is that the roots go down into the "sub" reservoir below the medium correct? Does all the coco stay wet or get irrigated? I can see how the autopots wick into the coco with the rise and fall of the water but I am unsure how the SIP works with coco.

Just thinking out loud a bit.

I've run coco/perlite in autopots. It worked well, given my screwups. There is no way that I could go with 2.4EC in that grow or even in my current one with top watering. My current plants start complaining at over ~1250EC even in the absence of salt buildup. I don't use Autopots any more with salt nutes, the issues I have had with salt buildup have persuaded me to go with automated top watering to runoff.

FWIW, I think the op is dealing with lockout, but @Mañ'O'Green may have already advised, and if his advice is different, believe him, not me.

Hey there. I have been using FloraFlex for quite awhile. I am intimate with their feed charts. They are local to me - just down the street and I was curious about the building and looked it up. That is when the journey started. My thread is about 90 pages long and all Florflex grows where I routinely play with the dosings.

Yes - The chart that you are posting is the original updated, Bulky B/Full Tilt/No Cal-Mag schedule for PHOTOS after they released Bulky B.

"I do think the one have makes much more sense."

That's because it is the most recent schedule FOR autos.

They only made an auto schedule recently after many of us told them the dosages that we were feeding our autos. If you look at the schedule I posted, it does have Bulky B, and Full Tilt on it. They just made it a different color for some reason. And removed the foliar doses.

I have also fed them foliars while we are at it and don't see much benefit.

EDIT - Side note. Your plants actually don't have as much bluing as I originally thought. Is that golden color just in that one spot? I had this happen to me one time on Sage Scout plant. One yellow splotch in one area up and down the plant in one area. I thought it was a weird genetic thing. Maybe it was due to foliar feeding? I dunno.

I've had uneven mischief like that in a couple of my plants this grow, and the problem seems to have been uneven distribution of nutes in the medium due to my diy delivery ring not working properly. I'm not sure how that would arise in the OP's setup, but it might be something to keep in mind.

 

[GreenBean]

I've had uneven mischief like that in a couple of my plants this grow, and the problem seems to have been uneven distribution of nutes in the medium due to my diy delivery ring not working properly. I'm not sure how that would arise in the OP's setup, but it might be something to keep in mind.

Yeah, I am not sure what was going on in that instance. I don't necessarily think his issue may be the same, unless it is related to the foliar feed. But I manually water and tend to water evenly = OCD kicking in. I chalked it up to a genetic deviation. His post reminded me of it. If it was indeed the same symptom as what I saw that one time in Sage Scout, the likelihood of it being a genetic mutant, or watering issue, between 2 totally different species would be odd. But we did both use the foliar. If that makes sense.

Sometimes these things are hard to diagnose without being able to see the plant IN person. So the best anyone can do is speculate. I have pushed the Floraflex many times and never had a lockout due to nute levels of I have played with.

All that said, I do not use an auto anything system where plants are constantly getting fed. So if it is lockout due to nute strength, which it could be, then yeah...you would want to play with the nute strength and likely it will take LESS than even the auto schedule calls for. That is a trial and error scenario to dial in though.

 

[R Wayne]

Now the spots on the leaves over the other side (by the moisture meter) make sense.

She recently got a dose of Recharge.

My usual grow nutes are Jacks 3-2-1, so I have plent of Epsom.

I'm not trying to be a helicopter parent. It's just that my other (older) current grow had a catastophic moment early on due to getting the lights wrong. The dimmer on my SP3000 is super sensitive and somehow they were cooking at 50+DLI. That forced way too much nutes up into the plant and this happened.

On Day 45 I woke up to this. I mean it happened over night.

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Soon, her twin sister followed along. They were under the same light:

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By Day 54 ... the necrosis was very obvious:

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Even though, after eventuall) removing most of the dead leaves they are making huge colas.
But only one cola per plant. They are weird for sure.

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But, you can see why am tip toeing on the star of this thread.
The bud formation is amazing despite surving a nutrient fire.

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My current troubled plant did start with the SP3000, but I thought the mature flowering plants would make better use.
See how how I am able to have the light and still meet the required DLI. It's a good light.

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As I said, even with most of the leaves removed or the dead part cut away, they are still in the fight.
But, since this just happened weeks ago I want to do better by my Blackstrap.
I'll include a funny pic I made when someone asked to give them a size comparison.
The front plant's bud structure is about as big as a wine bottle.

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This is interesting, my FB Blackberry grew the exact same way and finished the same too though she fox tailed pretty bad. The smoke and effect are very nice but the buds look and feel like shit, dry and cooked basically. It was grown in living soil and fed organic dry amendments. I just saw your pics and thought, shit my Fast Buds plant grew exactly the same as yours. This one could have gotten too much light early on, but she was in a tent with 3 other plants that all grew very well. Im at a bit of loss with mine.

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

Let's just tell everyone we were practicing our "micro" grow. :smoking:

This is interesting, my FB Blackberry grew the exact same way and finished the same too though she fox tailed pretty bad. The smoke and effect are very nice but the buds look and feel like shit, dry and cooked basically. It was grown in living soil and fed organic dry amendments. I just saw your pics and thought, shit my Fast Buds plant grew exactly the same as yours. This one could have gotten too much light early on, but she was in a tent with 3 other plants that all grew very well. Im at a bit of loss with mine.

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[Mijnosirrom]

Using the Floraflex when do you guys switch to bloom nutes? I have an auto that’s been showing pistils for a couple weeks but I think it’s still growing it’s about 5 weeks old. It’s driving me nuts trying to figure out what to do. Thanks. Sorry I know it’s off topic

 

[GreenBean]

Using the Floraflex when do you guys switch to bloom nutes? I have an auto that’s been showing pistils for a couple weeks but I think it’s still growing it’s about 5 weeks old. It’s driving me nuts trying to figure out what to do. Thanks. Sorry I know it’s off topic

I usually stick with the Floraflex V nutes until I see the little cotton balls fully formed and the stretch is coming to an end. Which is my situation is usually around day 35-40-ish. Then I switch to the B nutes. But you can play with this, as the B nutes still have a decent amount of Nitrogen in them. So, it's not like you are cutting off N immediately by switching.

 

[bearhair]

Nitro tox