What Have I Done Now? Golden Leaves

[ExNavyInSTL]

Hey there - that feed chart is nuts, it has the highest numbers I have ever seen on a chart by far - I feel like I push my ladies and rarely reach 2.4 at peak flower, let alone 3 in veg.

The darkness of the leaves and some of the tips pointing inwards gives the impression of too much N, which in itself creates other issues with respect to what the plant can take up sending it out of kilter.

Don’t judge the rest of the leaves by these pictures. They were really “cranked” up so that the posted issue was more obvious.

I’ll include a standard iPhone pick with no adjustments, so that the rest of the leaves are better represented.

You could try washing her through, but not with plain water - try a much lower EC solutions and really flush that through removing any build up in the coco - it is possible to overwater in coco but it takes a lot so dont be shy. Once the EC going in and coming out stabilises your coco should be in better shape, then reset the res - try going in with an EC 1.4 or so and work your way up from there

That is a great idea! As of this morning, things seemed better after me changing the lights.

I’ll post current data. I think I have made decent corrections.

These pics are closer to reality.
Still, take an average from all of the pics.
Certain angles can make things look problamatic.

If it gets worse, or continues to spread, I’ll try your flush technique. I’ve been waiting to grow a Blackstrap, I have to keep this girl happy.

 

[GreenBean]

Hey there, I use Floraflex exclusively on my indoor grows and usually grow some really big plants. I've got a Black Strap going right now actually. But one thing you will want to know is that you are currently feeding them the PHOTO schedule. If you look on the Floraflex site, they have an auto schedule on there.

Now, I have fed a number of plants on that photo schedule, or close to it in the past, just because I am always seeing how far I can push any auto. But I have come to find that it's USUALLY not necessary. Some plants will respond to a super high dose really well, and some just don't need it. I will often give my plants that PHOTO dose about one week before I switch to B though.

Never really had any lockout issues just from using Floraflex. But I have repeatedly had issues with magnesium lockout every time I use(d) Recharge with Floraflex.

I feed at 25% strength of the auto schedule the first week now, 50% the second and then go full on after that. If I think I can, or it will benefit the plant, I will try to push harder for a bit and see how they respond. If I see any bluing of my leaves I know to back off. Your leaves look like they've got a lot of bluing going on.

You do NOT need to add any cal-mag past the first week or two when you are feeding the diluted ratios. Even then, it's on a case by case basis.

I have a whole grow thread (more like a slog) linked in my signature that is 100% Floraflex runs. If you want to check it out.

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

Well, the nute levels are really too high. But I think what you see is a product of light and perhaps moisture..did you spray them?

• I do an occasional Foliar spray.
• FloraFlex has it as part of the routine in Veg and another one for Bloom.
• Once a week, I hit them with a spritz of Mono-silicic acid.
• They also get a a spritz of Vitamins and Aminos from time to time.
• I also do a 5:2 ratio of Humic/Kelp foliar, but I haven't this time.

However, when I do all of these, I focus mainly on the bottoms.
If anything puddles on the leaves I spread it out so that it is not a magnifying glass.

Were those leaves perhaps covered in the shadow some days earlier and came to light lately?

You are on to something here and this is why I think this came from lighting, not nutes.
When I moved a neighboring leaf away there was a “tan line.”

Were they close under other leaves, so moisture could rise there?

Possible. I’m being very careful about removing leaves this grow.
I remove the ones that cover a future bud site, when tucking does’t make sense.
Although, once this Auto starts showing some flowering, I’ll start the defoliating clock.
Then 3 weeks later I’ll lollipop her, if she gets tall enough.

Though a dli of 30 seems low, but as you state you run the lights at 100%..which height is it above canopy?

I’ve been trying to follow this chart. But getting to the suggested 45 DLI for this week is not going to happen with this light.

That would require being too close.

The other plant is in flower (it's at Day 52 - 8th week), so I am ok there (for now).

What tool do you use - if not calibrated photone will give you much lower values than ppfdmeter. I'd check that.

I use the Photone app, and I upgraded so that I could get the DLI feature.

I didn’t know about calibrating, will check into that.

Note: These reading might not match on a DLI calculater because I have to move some for the secon screenshot

Well, the nute levels are really too high. But I think what you see is a product of light and perhaps moisture..did you spray them?
Were those leaves perhaps covered in the shadow some days earlier and came to light lately? Were they close under other leaves, so moisture could rise there?
Though a dli of 30 seems low, but as you state you run the lights at 100%..which height is it above canopy? What tool do you use - if not calibrated photone will give you much lower values than ppfdmeter. I'd check that.

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

They've changed the Feed Chart recently because of the Full Tilt and Blulky B combination.

I posted the chart up above. Here is how it actually presented (below).

I do think the one have makes much more sense.

It does not distinguish between Autos and Photos, but it does say to "Hold" on weeks as your plant catches up. In other words, hold at Week 4 Veg until you see preflowering.

They are claiming No Cal/Mag, but I don't trust that just yet.

I'll look at the rest of your post in a bit. I'm off to pick up a Fixed iPad that I thought was a basket ball. :smoking:

Hey there, I use Floraflex exclusively on my indoor grows and usually grow some really big plants. I've got a Black Strap going right now actually. But one thing you will want to know is that you are currently feeding them the PHOTO schedule. If you look on the Floraflex site, they have an auto schedule on there.

Now, I have fed a number of plants on that photo schedule, or close to it in the past, just because I am always seeing how far I can push any auto. But I have come to find that it's USUALLY not necessary. Some plants will respond to a super high dose really well, and some just don't need it. I will often give my plants that PHOTO dose about one week before I switch to B though.

Never really had any lockout issues just from using Floraflex. But I have repeatedly had issues with magnesium lockout every time I use(d) Recharge with Floraflex.

I feed at 25% strength of the auto schedule the first week now, 50% the second and then go full on after that. If I think I can, or it will benefit the plant, I will try to push harder for a bit and see how they respond. If I see any bluing of my leaves I know to back off. Your leaves look like they've got a lot of bluing going on.

You do NOT need to add any cal-mag past the first week or two when you are feeding the diluted ratios. Even then, it's on a case by case basis.

I have a whole grow thread (more like a slog) linked in my signature that is 100% Floraflex runs. If you want to check it out.


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[GreenBean]

They've changed the Feed Chart recently because of the Full Tilt and Blulky B combination.

Hey there. I have been using FloraFlex for quite awhile. I am intimate with their feed charts. They are local to me - just down the street and I was curious about the building and looked it up. That is when the journey started. My thread is about 90 pages long and all Florflex grows where I routinely play with the dosings.

Yes - The chart that you are posting is the original updated, Bulky B/Full Tilt/No Cal-Mag schedule for PHOTOS after they released Bulky B.

"I do think the one have makes much more sense."

That's because it is the most recent schedule FOR autos.

They only made an auto schedule recently after many of us told them the dosages that we were feeding our autos. If you look at the schedule I posted, it does have Bulky B, and Full Tilt on it. They just made it a different color for some reason. And removed the foliar doses.

I have also fed them foliars while we are at it and don't see much benefit.

EDIT - Side note. Your plants actually don't have as much bluing as I originally thought. Is that golden color just in that one spot? I had this happen to me one time on Sage Scout plant. One yellow splotch in one area up and down the plant in one area. I thought it was a weird genetic thing. Maybe it was due to foliar feeding? I dunno.

 

[GreenBean]

Does this look similar to what you are seeing? Happened one time only when I was using the foliar feed. I do not know if that was due to the foliar or some mutation. But it didn't have any real effect on the plant and it grew fine.

I have experimented since with the foliar and never saw it happen again. So it could've been some mutation? But your "issue" reminds me of it. Night Owl Sage Scout.

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

GreenBean:

I can't thank enough for that new chart.

Feeding Chart:

You are a life saver (plant life).
I'll print the chart out and follow it immediately.
That's great background info on FloraFlex.
I agree on foliars, but it came with the sample pack, so I'm trying it out.

I came back to add: It is now printed on heavy card stock and going into a binder I'm putting together of useful info.

Another improvement to the feeding schedule is that it is much more printer friendly.
That other one sucks up the toner with all the black.

Location on the Plant:

As for the location, it is just in the one spot.
In fact, it is all on the same branch.

Looking at my latest pics, I see another issue on leaves by the the moisture monitor.

It's always something. Even so, I still love growing this plant.

Hey there. I have been using FloraFlex for quite awhile. I am intimate with their feed charts. They are local to me - just down the street and I was curious about the building and looked it up. That is when the journey started. My thread is about 90 pages long and all Florflex grows where I routinely play with the dosings.

Yes - The chart that you are posting is the original updated, Bulky B/Full Tilt/No Cal-Mag schedule for PHOTOS after they released Bulky B.

"I do think the one have makes much more sense."

That's because it is the most recent schedule FOR autos.

They only made an auto schedule recently after many of us told them the dosages that we were feeding our autos. If you look at the schedule I posted, it does have Bulky B, and Full Tilt on it. They just made it a different color for some reason. And removed the foliar doses.

I have also fed them foliars while we are at it and don't see much benefit.

EDIT - Side note. Your plants actually don't have as much bluing as I originally thought. Is that golden color just in that one spot? I had this happen to me one time on Sage Scout plant. One yellow splotch in one area up and down the plant in one area. I thought it was a weird genetic thing. Maybe it was due to foliar feeding? I dunno.

 

[GreenBean]

GreenBean:

I can't thank enough for that new chart.

You're welcome. I really enjoy using the nutes. My largest yield from one plant recently was 22 oz. Only less than 10 oz one time at 9.9 oz from a single plant - that Sgae Scout ironically. I recently stopped weighing yields. But I grew a FB Banana recently that filled two 1 lb Grove bags. I just like to see how hard I can push autos to perform more like a photo. I have a Meph Mango Smile in the tent right now that may be the biggest yielder yet, if I can get her to stack a little more in the final month.

Bear in mind, that I have ran them at the photo doses and didn't see any real negative effects. But I no longer think it is necessary to do that either. Other than for experimentation. So don't be afraid to play around if you want and push them to gauge your results.

Other than a little cal-mag in weeks 1 and 2 when I am feeding lower doses, and a little silica here and there, I have never had a need to add anything else. Remember that calcium is an immobile nutrient so it isn't really benefitting anything as it cannot travel up the plant and can cause other issues. So no need to add any additional.

The only thing I have seen that is repeatable is that it doesn't play well with Recharge. For whatever reason that causes a mag deficiency/lockout for me. Happens every time. Even if I lower the dose of FloraFlex after using Recharge. I do keep a bag of Epsom on hand for that. But I no longer use Recharge either. Not necessary in my case. I'm sure it works for others. Enjoy.

 

[ExNavyInSTL]

In the beginning it was more gold than yellow.

Having said that, the parts that are advancing into further necrosis are definately yellowing.

I'll watch it, and if it changes into something else I'll post about it.

Quick Question on the FloraFlex: I have a half gallon that was next in line for the next feeding. It is 3.0 EC and 5.8 pH. Since they are the same V1 & V2, is it ok to just dilute it down to 2.1 with RO, or should I start from scratch?

Does this look similar to what you are seeing? Happened one time only when I was using the foliar feed. I do not know if that was due to the foliar or some mutation. But it didn't have any real effect on the plant and it grew fine.

I have experimented since with the foliar and never saw it happen again. So it could've been some mutation? But your "issue" reminds me of it. Night Owl Sage Scout.

 

[GreenBean]

In the beginning it was more gold than yellow.

Having said that, the parts that are advancing into further necrosis are definately yellowing.

I'll watch it, and if it changes into something else I'll post about it.

Quick Question on the FloraFlex: I have a half gallon that was next in line for the next feeding. It is 3.0 EC and 5.8 pH. Since they are the same V1 & V2, is it ok to just dilute it down to 2.1 with RO, or should I start from scratch?

You would be fine diluting it if you are comfortable doing that.

Ironically the stage that you are at with that plant is when I "juice them" with a photo dose for a week or so. I probably don't need to do that, or maybe I do for the results that I like. But I like to send them into flower with a bang. It works for me, so I do it that way.

Also, I usually don't switch to B until the little cotton balls are fully formed and I'm seeing good stretch. Though the B nutes have plenty of N in them as well. Usually once the cotton balls are formed well and the stretch is close to ending, is when I start with the B doses. I do something similar with juicing the B nutes at the end of flower. But I'm kinda nutty and like to experiment.

Also, I drift my PH between 5.8 and 6.2 as I use up a bucket of premixed nutes. Once I make a new bucket, I start at 5.8 again. Lather, rinse, repeat.

One thing to note on my Sage Scout is that it probably WAS genetic. Even the buds in that area had white splotches in them. Plant was fine though.