The Pony tail technique: just leaf tucking?

[calliandra]

Hey, good stuff. Yeah, I just remove the fan leaves for the same effect.
Ponytailing is cool for a few plants, more than that and it's easier just removing fans. And it works as repeated ponytailing
Try a couple of seedlings with both method and see if there this any differences. I can't see any after a week or so.
Here is 2 almost pure sativa auto plants, a snowflake and a Contraband, that had all the larger center fans removed repeatedly since a couple of weeks old,, they are about 5 weeks old now. Nothing else has been done and I think a decent canopy on both so farView attachment 864031
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Some super and softcropping would have been better for a flat canopy, but they're gonna go hang in the corners soon with the big lights and plants. They've just been standing on the floor a bit in the shade. Here is a Contraband same age in a 3 l pot but just left to grow, much taller at 1,35 m and still stretching into a Xmas tree View attachment 864036 View attachment 864037

gosh that's really cool, thanks for sharing that! :smoking:

 

[Rev. Green Genes]

I like this hypothesis - I assume you meant the auxin is light dependant - it definitely makes sense!
Thanks much for the food for thought, plants are such amazing creatures!

no I meant avoidant. Auxin moves around in the leaf to get away from light. It is one of the ways in which auxin influences growth towards the light (phototropism) and participates in light avoidance when there is too much light as well.

 

[calliandra]

no I meant avoidant. Auxin moves around in the leaf to get away from light. It is one of the ways in which auxin influences growth towards the light (phototropism) and participates in light avoidance when there is too much light as well.

OK I see I definitely need to get back to my biology studies.
Thank you!

 

[Rev. Green Genes]

OK I see I definitely need to get back to my biology studies.
Thank you!

I said in the leaves. My bad! I meant to say in the meristem, The lead buds are where phototropism takes place.

 

[calliandra]

I said in the leaves. My bad! I meant to say in the meristem, The lead buds are where phototropism takes place.

Strangely, the image your words conjured up were meristematic not leafy haha
So your intended meaning got across somehow anyway - but now it's set straight for posteriority too
Doesn't change that I need to get back to re-learning all this!
cheers

 

[Tracer Productions]

Great thread! Gotta ask since I can't find the answer anywhere else: is ponytailing supposed to actually damage the top growth like topping/FIMming does, or merely move it out of the way for light to hit the lower growths? This looks like something I could actually pull off, unlike complicated LST & other training tactics.

 

[The Iconoclast]

no I meant avoidant. Auxin moves around in the leaf to get away from light. It is one of the ways in which auxin influences growth towards the light (phototropism) and participates in light avoidance when there is too much light as well.

Yes this is correct, I've heard both that when the auxin migrates to the dark side that it causes the the cells to grow on the dark side and I've heard that rather than grow it causes the cells on the dark side to elongate. I've heard elongation mentioned more.

Auxins promote stem elongation, inhibit growth of lateral buds (maintains apical dominance). They are produced in the stem, buds, and root tips. Example: Indole Acetic Acid (IA). Auxin is a plant hormone produced in the stem tip that promotes cell elongation. Auxin moves to the darker side of the plant, causing the cells there to grow larger than corresponding cells on the lighter side of the plant. This produces a curving of the plant stem tip toward the light, a plant movement known as phototropism.

https://www2.estrellamountain.edu/faculty/farabee/biobk/BioBookPLANTHORM.html

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  • The direction of light is detected at the tip of the shoot.
    • Blue light is most effective.
    • It is absorbed by a flavoprotein called phototropin. Flavoproteins contain flavin as a prosthetic group.
  • Auxin moves from the tip down.
  • An auxin transporter — one of the PIN proteins — is inserted in the plasma membrane at the lateral face of cells of the shoot.
  • Auxin is pumped out of these efflux transporters and accumulates in the cells on the shady side.
  • This stimulates elongation of the cells on the shady side causing the shoot to bend toward the light.

http://www.biology-pages.info/A/Auxin.html

 

[McDee]

That is something I have never tried before. I just went and put a rubber band on, it's kinda loose but letting light in better. Was just doing lst but this will help with it. Wish I would have thought of it sooner. I will see how it does over next few days. Do I have to do every 24hr, or can I leave for 3 days then take off? Once they get little bigger I will tie down. @Rev. Green Genes

 

[STILLSMOKIN]

Im going to pony tail all tops on this gg i got and see if they shoot lowers up

 

[Rev. Green Genes]

I like to take them off after 2 or 3 days because I didn't want anything to underdevelop too bad inside the ponytail. I have not really tried to keep them tied up longer but eventually they will die off.

That is something I have never tried before. I just went and put a rubber band on, it's kinda loose but letting light in better. Was just doing lst but this will help with it. Wish I would have thought of it sooner. I will see how it does over next few days. Do I have to do every 24hr, or can I leave for 3 days then take off? Once they get little bigger I will tie down. @Rev. Green Genes