It's funny. I had a berry Ryder that I snapped the main stem on, 45 days in, maybe 36 inches. Attitude xmas freebie and it was definitely going somewhere. Bounced back towards the end, but as an auto it just quit around the time the Kush was done. I had started them together at xmas as a present to myself, lol. In truth I didn't have room for it as things moved along and my box filled in. So really no worries. That first minute after the S-N-A-P though feeling like a smacked ass! DOH!