What up @woody. I used to do the 4th but these last couple times been doin the 5th with awesome results. Kinda seems in between a top and a fim. She will still stretch but seems all other 10 main arms catch up, then it seems to have main arms form off them on the longer going plants such as the xxls. The regular 80 day autos usually take a trident look. I cut them before day 20. Average age prolly day 16. Hey? I seen you puttin in new panel. Is that a invisible sun?@faded187 what age/node do you normally fim at brother?