New Grower The Basics ( very basic ) of organic growing for begginers

Soil

As we know, there are many types of soil, and we need to know what's best for growing our plants in. If your going to growing in soil and do so organically, what do you really need? How much do we really need to do to get quality soil? I'll not give your soil breakdown info, there are thousands of pages out there on that. We will work with premixed soils for a starting base.

Soil for growing is really comprised of a base mix, and an admix.
potting soil is a base mix. Its loam ( hopefully... ), a little humus and a filler meant to hold air and water.
An ad mix is the added fillers and nutrients we amend the soil with such as kelp meal and lime.

What should we use as a base mix? Well, we could mix our own from scratch, using sand, clay, humus, and compost. But really, getting a base mix just right is a lot of work and time consuming to boot. There are many brands of potting soil available, find one that works for you and stick with it. Its like buying flower for baking, its all pretty much the same! You could buy a mold and cast your own concrete blocks to build a structure with, but why bother? The same with base soil. I buy 30 quart bags of potting soil for $3.00 a bag, and its not the crap you find at Lowes either! Its good, clean, bug free soil from Canada and I'm tempted to buy a truck load and resell it! FoxFarm, etc has nothing on this soil!

When it comes to the admix that things get complicated. There are dozens and dozens of viable organic ingredients you can use. All of them work, some better than other. Some work fast, some are moderately slow, some very slow, some so slow your wasting you money buying them( greensand, Glacial dust, etc, unless you plan to live 500 years or so to see the results.... ).

You can buy premixed, dry, organic nutrients. They can save you a lot of work and some money too! Buying each component you will use can become expensive and buying them in small quantities is even more so when you factor in shipping or time and fuel to fetch them. So if your growing a few plant in small to medium containers, is probably more effective to buy boxed nutrients. Grow More
( 2/25/2021 - It's gotten hard to find the GrowMore organics sadly ) Doctor Earth, and Jobe's, are the most common brands. They sell ready to use mixes as well as small boxes of individual nutrients and suplements. I use Grow More Organic Soil builder, and Organic Flower and Bloom. I also use their " Palm Food" blend. Its still the same organic matter, in a slightly different ratio, and my plants love it just as much as the other, so buy what you can find and don't worry about it! I use Jobe's organic spikes also when I find them on sale, my house plants love them!

However, making your own ad mix is worthwhile also, especially if your growing more than a couple plants. There are dozens of formulas you can follow, I'm not listing them here. However, as typical of people, they can get very complicated. I personally don't believe organics should be complicated. Nature likes diversity, but it also likes elegant simplicity. So I've been working on my "KISS", I'm looking to make to simplest mix I can that remains effective, with little or no further additive generally required. I've also moved to using coco coir as a medium in place of peat. I'm trying to greatly reduce, and maybe eliminate peat from my soils. Peat moss is NOT a renewable resource, it takes hundreds of years for a peat bog to grow!
Now I understand that currently, almost all affordable mixes use peat, there's no escaping it. But I'm a firm believer in recycling soil so each recycle reduces the amount of remaining peat.I'll get into my mix shortly.

PH control in organic soil ( or any soil ) should start at the admix level! Fix it BEFORE you ever plant a seed or clone, and it should not ever be a problem that you even need to think about if your water is good. And here's the crux of the problem. Lime is the key to soil PH moderation. BUT, I've personally read at least 10 different recommendations on how much to use! So that is a part I'm experimenting with in my mixes. Lime not only acts as a ph buffer, it also provides calcium and sometimes magnesium also. A properly limed and cooked soil should never have a calcium problem. Too much lime however, can make the soil ph run high when too much is used. I think I've found the best starting point advice from the author Read Spear, in his book: "Small Spaces, Big Yields." This may be the best book on the market for beginning growers. He recommends lime be added as 10% OF THE ADMIX, not of te soil. I'll include his base formulas at the end.

Magnesium. Critical for your plant as its a component of Chlorophyll. There are several ways to include it. I think the best may be by adding Epsom Salts to the mix. Just as with Lime, the adequate amount is often hard to find in online information. I'll be using 5% of the admix as a base for testing. Again, I'm finding using an admix formula is easier for controlling what goes into your soil than mixing everything into the base. I believe this also makes blending your soil easier and more uniform in the final mix.

Not matter how good our mixes are though, issues will pop up, plants do what they want to do, they are worse than my children.........LOL! Some are always going to be finicky, other will grow in toxic waste... My point is, we will need to have a couple of nutrients available. NPK, the three key nutrients make up 90% of all nutrient problems in any soil. Some plants are just hogs and will take almost all you can throw at them. Most are not like that though. Still, good soil is partly science and partly an art you learn by doing, and plants don't read science books, that's what makes them so un-cooperative at times.....

Sometimes, just adding a little of your admix as a top dressing will be all you need, or even better, fresh worm castings! I feel that you should also keep a few items in case of deficiencies. Blood meal for FAST doses of N, kelp meal for K, molasses or alfalfa meal for P, lime and Epsom salts or Cal/Mag for calcium and magnesium. Use these if you see definite signs of deficiency. N in particular is easy to spot.

Mixes:

My current mixes:

Base:

Update: 2/25/2021 I've modified my mix slightly. Either mix will work fine I just like my new mix better.

Old Mix
30% coco coir
50% potting soil
10% cow manure
10% peat

New Mix
20% coco coir
70% organic potting soil
10 cow or horse manure ( composted )

Admix:
60% worm castings
5% Jobe's , Dr. Earth, etc
5% blood meal
10% dolomite lime ( fine ground is best )
15% chicken manure ( or a blend of Bat guano and Seabird guano )
5% epsom salts

KISS MIX:

60% worm castings
20% boxed " super soil" nutrients, Jobe's Doctor Earth, etc
10% lime
10% epsom salts

Read Spear's mixes:

Base:
35% coco
25% perlite
25% peat
15% compost

Admix:
40% composted manure
25% topsoil ( the real stuff, black and fine grained )
10% Dolomite Lime
10% Gypsum
5% Bone meal
5% blood meal
5% azomite
mix 2 parts base to one part admix. Cook for 2 weeks to 30 days if mixing large batches, for a gallon or two, just a few days for the lime to work is all that's needed. The KISS mix you can use right away!

Don't get the idea I'm an organic expert, I'm certainly not! But, I do my homework always and never trust just one source! I am however, on a quest as always to sort out the bullshit from the good information. I hope this will give beginners a place to start on the path to good organics!
 
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I use the mix on page 2 mostly. I reduce the % of chicken manure for some plants as its a bit hot. I often however, grow with just the base mix, with lime and epsom salts added. thats the mix I'm using in the greenhouse right now, it depends what I have on hand.

Here's what the base does for plants:

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Great write up pop!!!! I'm going to check the price of things at work today and see how quick I can get started, did you use this second recipe on your ultimate? I'm Going to go wander through that thread and EOFs stuff again too
 
I use the mix on page 2 mostly. I reduce the % of chicken manure for some plants as its a bit hot. I often however, grow with just the base mix, with lime and epsom salts added. thats the mix I'm using in the greenhouse right now, it depends what I have on hand.

Here's what the base does for plants:

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So what you're saying is that it grows a f-ing forest?!?! lol


So I finished my first organic/supersoil grow not too long ago and tossed the soil in a 12gal tote (only about 6-7gals of used soil w/ used supersoil).. My question is; how do I treat this soil?? Should I use it as a base soil, or should I try to amend it lightly to regain some of its strength?? I kinda figured after growing a couple NLxBBs, it would be somewhat depleted, but might still work well as a base soil in conjunction with a couple tea feedings on the front end, and maybe top-dress it with some relatively mild organic nutes to bolster it??

I guess I haven't found too many sound articles about recycling cannabis soil.. Is it close to tomatoes or other varietals?? I'd hate to toss all of this soil that I still perceive to be hearty.. Short of sending samples off to a lab, what can I do?? Should I add some of the amendments you mentioned earlier and try to cook it in the tote?? When I harvest the last of my garden veggies, I'm gonna want to recycle the several hundred gallons of soil I prepared and I'd like to re-vitalize it without worrying about being heavy-handed..

Or, I could order some Jobe's or GBD.... lol I have all of this soil though!!!!
 
When rcycling small amounts of soil, you really need to have compost to add to maintain soil structure. This is also why we add azomite to new soil, to prepare it for recycling as trace minerals in azomite are very slow release. N is always needed, so ad chicken manure blended with cow manure. Each has different organic matter that complements, and chicken manure is fairly high in N. I mix a cup og chicken manure to a gallon of cow manure.

and it never hurts to and dry, pre-mixed organic nutes like GrowMore or Doctor Earth, etc. I like GrowMore's Organic Soil Builder for recycled soil.And I always ad some fresh soil and or coco even if its just a couple handfuls. Recycled soil needs to cook for sure, to get the nutrients back up to par. I mix mine as soon as a grow is done,then it has at least 70-90 days to cook.

So what you're saying is that it grows a f-ing forest?!?! lol


So I finished my first organic/supersoil grow not too long ago and tossed the soil in a 12gal tote (only about 6-7gals of used soil w/ used supersoil).. My question is; how do I treat this soil?? Should I use it as a base soil, or should I try to amend it lightly to regain some of its strength?? I kinda figured after growing a couple NLxBBs, it would be somewhat depleted, but might still work well as a base soil in conjunction with a couple tea feedings on the front end, and maybe top-dress it with some relatively mild organic nutes to bolster it??

I guess I haven't found too many sound articles about recycling cannabis soil.. Is it close to tomatoes or other varietals?? I'd hate to toss all of this soil that I still perceive to be hearty.. Short of sending samples off to a lab, what can I do?? Should I add some of the amendments you mentioned earlier and try to cook it in the tote?? When I harvest the last of my garden veggies, I'm gonna want to recycle the several hundred gallons of soil I prepared and I'd like to re-vitalize it without worrying about being heavy-handed..

Or, I could order some Jobe's or GBD.... lol I have all of this soil though!!!!
 
Okay, so tonight, I went down into the dungeon and I added approximately 48oz of Dr Earth's compost that I had on-hand, about 30oz of Ancient Forest, about 1tsp of Great White, about 5ml of Hydroguard, 3oz of a locally made organic booster (3-10-5), and 2 double-handfuls of fresh Roots Organic to the pile, about a half gallon of de-Cl'ed tap water and I stirred it very well for a few minutes to get all of the dry spots out.. The original base soil is Roots Organic, and the supersoil recipe is a mild variation of subcool's.. I figure I'm gonna stir it ever other day for the next few weeks, and then let it settle for a couple weeks, and then stir it again to see if I can stimulate some biology!! Keep in mind, the soil I started with was about 2/3 base-soil w/ worm castings (at the start), and a 1/3 supersoil, and the post-grow remnants are all blended together, so I imagine there's gonna be at least a couple small issues during the grow.. I had thought about sprinkling some epsom salts and some azomite to help as well, but I don't wanna get the soil too hot..


I also forgot to mention that I just started doing foliar sprays w/ GH Floralicious+.. Maybe that negates the "organic" part of the grow, but it's really just humics.. I have powdered humics I may use just to stimulate growth in between Heisenberg tea applications.. I'm brewing the tea right now to apply to my current Candy Kush and then some of the veggies..
 
Just can't break that shotgun approach habit huh? lol! And a little epsom and azomite won't make it hot, NPK does. And don't stir it! I was just reading that tilling/turning over a garden is bad for the microlife, its why No Till is becoming popular. Let them multiply and spread through the soil on there own. You not mixing nutes, your feeding microbes! Stir it once before using

Okay, so tonight, I went down into the dungeon and I added approximately 48oz of Dr Earth's compost that I had on-hand, about 30oz of Ancient Forest, about 1tsp of Great White, about 5ml of Hydroguard, 3oz of a locally made organic booster (3-10-5), and 2 double-handfuls of fresh Roots Organic to the pile, about a half gallon of de-Cl'ed tap water and I stirred it very well for a few minutes to get all of the dry spots out.. The original base soil is Roots Organic, and the supersoil recipe is a mild variation of subcool's.. I figure I'm gonna stir it ever other day for the next few weeks, and then let it settle for a couple weeks, and then stir it again to see if I can stimulate some biology!! Keep in mind, the soil I started with was about 2/3 base-soil w/ worm castings (at the start), and a 1/3 supersoil, and the post-grow remnants are all blended together, so I imagine there's gonna be at least a couple small issues during the grow.. I had thought about sprinkling some epsom salts and some azomite to help as well, but I don't wanna get the soil too hot..


I also forgot to mention that I just started doing foliar sprays w/ GH Floralicious+.. Maybe that negates the "organic" part of the grow, but it's really just humics.. I have powdered humics I may use just to stimulate growth in between Heisenberg tea applications.. I'm brewing the tea right now to apply to my current Candy Kush and then some of the veggies..
 
I did also fail to mention that I added the trimmed water/fan leaves from my last plants to the soil and just by them sitting in that tote, have broken down quite a bit, so I don't know how much more N I'm gonna need, but I have bat guano available that I can foliar spray with the Floralicious+ to give it a kick!!!
 

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