Sativa, Indica, Ruderalis - Is it all BS?

[Son of Hobbes]

The ditch weed feral hemp in South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska and Western Minnesota I am familiar with from 1988 to 1991 reached 12+ feet high, growing wild it became huge bushy plants that looked like it would be some great weed other than being packed so full of seeds that when I hunted pheasants in a wild field of it the seeds fell around me like rain. I worked in law enforcement at the time and tested some with a test kit numerous times and it never even triggered the test as positive. It was grown in those states during WWII.

I took inmates out to harvest it off of federal property after pulling five plants up the year before and my efforts resulted in me seeding a field that sprouted hundreds of plants the next Spring.

There's still tons of feral hemp in those states, if you go into Cherry County in Nebraska (it's effing BEAUTIFUL out there too if you've never been, like you think "corn fields" in Nebraska, this rolling valleys and hills and trees, it's awesome. Used to float the Niobrara all the time lol.) Massive, huge cannabis plants, but it's just crap (smelled great, little to no high (not that we stuffed bags of it into the car or anything for shits and grins.)

 

[jdm61]

As long as you get the boobs right........

How it's grown, where it's grown, TOTALLY effect how it turns out. That's one benefit of being in a legal state, there's a "ring" of strains that you see consistently grown on the market (because the market likes it and because the genetic pool has some limitations (easily bucked though,) but Gorilla Glue grown by Grower X at Facility Y is NOTHING like Grower Z's at Facility B's. First guy I worked for, had no clue why none of the Ethos genetics he bought tested out over 16%, despite the cloning company saying they all tested out over 30%. Well, a skilled artist is going to create a painting you want to look at. I'm just going to paint a stick figure with a bunch of boobs on it. But we both drew a picture using the same paper and paint.

 

[420Forever]

Oh ho ho ho, I got some stories for YOU friend lol.

<< can vouch for that, lol ppp

 

[Son of Hobbes]

As long as you get the boobs right........

I've been on a Total Recall kick, it's gonna get weird.

 

[Doug58]

You just raised another interesting question. How is it that from the same island in the Hawaiian chain, the big island and possibly the same volcanic mountain slope,l do you get Kona gold and that blue bud that you’re talking about? Is it a different strain or just a different method of growing in processing? Your Doobie Brothers story reminds me of my second concert which was the first one I got high at. it was Ted Nugent July 1977 at Hollywood Florida. I had probably smoked weed no more than 10 times and half of that over the previous summer back in Miami because I went to boarding school in the middle of nowhere Pennsylvania and weed was kind of thin on the ground in my circle. I think I smoked a grand total of four or five times in a two year.period up there. That summer of 77 I had no weed to take to the concert because the guy that I had bought my previous little dime bag from at summer school didn’t have any and I had no other source at the time. So I asked around at the show if people were selling joints. This one professional photographer said no but he smoked me up. I don’t know what it was, but my ass had to go sit down for a while because I had never been that high. LOL

First concert I ever went to and got high was 1975, Cadillac Michigan. When KISS came to our little Northern Michigan town and played for our Homecoming in the gym, road a float in the Homecoming Parade, spent two days at our high school. It made national news at the time as media from around the world came to report on it after our losing football team decided to play KISS records in the locker room before games and became state champions. The entire town heard the concert that night from their yards.

The second concert was Rush later that Winter in an ice arena and probably only 200 people showed up. We were kicked back smoking joints of Mexican the entire show passing them around to the crowd.

 

[Doug58]

My step grandfather and his father had permits during World War II to grow a certain allotment of hemp to jute and sisal from the Pacific for rope making and that continued for a couple of years after the war to give them sufficient time to convert back to tobacco. Those feral plants still grow all over the bluegrass area of Kentucky and my brother tells me that if you run a female over it smells like you’ve run over a skunk. They are not at all potent but people smoke that shit for years. I rememberReading a story about some of the 60s cats hanging out with Louis Armstrong. Now Satchmo had been smoking weed since he was a teenager and he would have been in his late 60’s at this time, but smoking that “hemp” weed. One of the dudes turned him on to what he called his “good Mexican weed” which meant some Nice Mexican sativa like Acapulco Gold. He said that all Satchmo could barely get out of his chair to go play the show he was so fucked up. He never smoked weed like that even in all of his travels.

I actually saw Louis Armstrong play in or about 1967 when I was around nine years old at the Lowell Showboat near Grand Rapids Michigan. I had actually fallen asleep waiting and my parents woke me up when he came onstage but I can't remember much more than that.

 

[Doug58]

There's still tons of feral hemp in those states, if you go into Cherry County in Nebraska (it's effing BEAUTIFUL out there too if you've never been, like you think "corn fields" in Nebraska, this rolling valleys and hills and trees, it's awesome. Used to float the Niobrara all the time lol.) Massive, huge cannabis plants, but it's just crap (smelled great, little to no high (not that we stuffed bags of it into the car or anything for shits and grins.)

Remember two guys from Michigan getting arrested near Yankton South Dakota back in the day harvesting that ditch weed in the 1990's or so.
I lived there for four years right on the Missouri River across from Nebraska. It sure did smell great. No one would believe me years later that weed could ever grow as tall as 12 feet high even on this forum someone didn't believe it but a Michigan grower here claimed last year to have grown some marijuana plants closer to 16 feet tall.

 

[Kyote]

First Mexican brick weed 10 bucks for four fingers. Panama Red, Acapulco Gold Then Thai sticks from the Viet Nam War, then sensimilla from Hawaii. The Hawaiian sensimilla was the first I smoked that was seedless ( sensimilla means without seeds) and ripped my head off in 1976. I drove over to a friends place about 15 miles away. No problem getting there, it was the getting home that was a trip. Across a floating bridge to Seattle, then on the freeway. I remember looking at the speedometer and I was doing 40mph on the freeway and thought I was flying.

I wonder about the trichomes mostly. Seems to me if a sativa goes till 75% gold trichs. the effect would be much different than if there trichs were all milky. Same goes for indica. We do a lot of canna coconut oil for cooking and the effect seems to not vary between sativa base or indica base.

I dunno, there is so much going on with this plant. We have an endocannabinoid system, so does cannabis. It sucks that cannabis was punished for 70 years and still is in some areas of the world. It's the most natural complete medicine there is imho, and pharma and big bucks want to capitalize off of it.

 

[Son of Hobbes]

We have an endocannabinoid system

There's another variable too. Some people can eat hundreds (if not thousands) of milligrams of THC and it does NOTHING to them. Give me 100 mg candy bar and I'm sleeping on your couch. Although.... I do recall sitting in a hotel room at CannaCon in Seattle with a few people from here where we stuck vials of 300 mg oil into our beers and chugging them before hitting the expo floor lol....

Won't name any names. But I'll tag those assholes @briman @FullDuplex @wwwillie

 

[elcoloan]

Interesting you should mention harvesting drying and curing. My understanding is that Colombian Santa Marta gold is gold because of something they do with stripping the main stem a couple of days before harvest which kind of starts the plant drying ahead of time. I have also heard that Acapulco gold (the real stuff that is) gets some of its unique characteristics because of how and where it is dried and cured. I always wondered if the Columbian red bud that you would see on occasion in South Florida was the same weed because they harvested it in a different manner or if it was the stuff from the other part of the country that grew pot?

This is what I've been told for many years. In the 70's Colombia was growing at least four different cultivars... "Mango Biche", "Punto Rojo", and two others I don't remember now, but none of these were initially called "Golden". Till this day, Mango Biche and Punto Rojo remain our most known cultivars. Punto Rojo is charactized by red or purple pistils, it's said to be from a different region in Colombia than the others. It has very thin leaves and extremely fluffy buds.
During the 70's (and still today) these four cultivars were grown in several parts of the country, but the crops that were sent to the US were mostly grown in a place in Colombia called "Santa Marta", which is a city facing the caribean sea near mount "Sierra Nevada" and this region contains several micro-climates. From this place another variety eventually emerged that was called here "Santa Marta Gold", but it appears it was just any of those four initial cultivars, but with stems being stripped which caused the golden effect.
So, it's been said around my country for many years that the term Colombian/Santa Marta Gold was given by foreigners to refer to Colombian cannabis that came from Santa Marta, but that Golden variety could actually be any one of those 4 cultivars... all them grouped under the same name by north Americans. Now a days, some Colombian growers have what they claim to be Santa Marta Golden, which many others think is a mixture of 4 strains naturally breeding in Santa Marta throughout these 50 years.