Sativa, Indica, Ruderalis - Is it all BS?

[Trowertripper]

CG could make you black out from a bong hit, especially if you stood up quickly. and you would sit with friends and talk for hours just laughing and pondering paradoxically...much of the humor from thoseddays, george carlin, john belushi,david letterman..came from that.

 

[Trowertripper]

i have heard of columbian black and columbian green as well. Black was supposedly giggleweed. i dont think i ever smoked green or black. only had red bud once in 1977 but ordered some Aluna seeds from bodhi with it ...we will see.?

 

[jdm61]

I saw a little bit of the red in Miami in the late 70s. Most of what we saw was gold-ish. Put in that particular time, I think that in hindsight it might’ve been a little harder to tell when we were getting Colombian and when we were getting Jamaican. I think that you were kind of seeing a transition in the weed business at the time as the Colombians started concentrating more on the cocaine business. We also had the Zion Ethiopian Coptic Church people there in Miami importing A butt load of smoke from Jamaica. In hindsight, I’m convinced now that when we got some better stuff, it was more likely than not Jamaican if for no other reason then it hadn’t been sitting around for as long. Plus, in the early 80s, we saw some seedless smoke that looked just like the good stuff that I suspected was Jamaican from a couple years before. It wasn’t the same quality as say Gainesville green, but it was still good enough to be sold by the gram, typically for about 60% of what the really top drawer stuff would go for. What was interesting about that time is that occasionally you would get some of that really good smoke and it was at least twice as potent as the normal Colombian “square grouper“ that we typically saw. The synopsis of the film that the cocaine Cowboys guys made about the pot smuggling in the late 70s and early 80s, Square grouper, says that the Coptic guys were bringing in what they called very high-quality weed and the black grouper gang was bringing in a fair chunk of the Columbian smoke in the south Florida that time. Both of those groups got busted around 79 And then the Everglades city people took over until they got busted around 83 and 84. But, by that time you were seeing the rise of domestic production. I suspect that anything you got after about 85 that was decent was as likely to be coming from North Florida Kentucky or northern CaliforniaAs it was from anywhere in the Caribbean

 

[Trowertripper]

yes, i had quit by 85 when my daughter enrered kindy and began parroting Nancy Reagans talking points via the Dare program and mcgruff the crime dog.

 

[Mustang92]

I'm of the belief it's hippie folklore along with couch lock( my buddy calls it couch love) is mostly how long you wait to harvest. I do believe certain plants increase the couch lock sensation or uplifting sensation but still when you harvest matters most, just my opinion.
That said it's way more fun to buy into sativa and indica arguement and thank you ruderalis for finding away to be more than ditch weed.

 

[Usarounder2020]

So the question is Ruderalis B.S.? What conclusion did we come to? Are there anybody out there getting particular their seeds from growers choice that have went through the cycles and fed them and ph'd them did everything perfect and when I was done my plant looked good starting out but at end and chopped down and even greater a few weeks longer than it said this is what I came out with (see pic, it smelled like hay not the cheese seed I ordered, it had the white hairs then I waited for them to turn that Brown I forget what they call the color but the magnifying of the little tiny hay smelling cheese bids from the seeds I got wasn't pleasant at all, it was more of an allergen then anything.) I don't know that I'll even try to smoke it. I am growing one more, I had several not germinate from them I even said less germinated and actually more did not germinate but I didnt want free seeds for whatever went wrong or if they are just a different kind of plant than stated by every website I haven't been doing this long enough to know if this was right or I did something wrong? Or just it is made for hemp usage really the autoflowers/Ruderalis types!? Maybe their seeds arent good like another companies sites? Im just not sure. Im growing a critical purple autoflowering plant now with using purple cows soil which is such an awesome soil to use by the way! I'll take some pics of it and put them on here it grows fast in this soil it's amazing im not sure if it's the type of seed that's growing faster or the soil! But I will be using purple cow everytime now! I am growing an outside feminized Lava Cake Strain which I love the strain I got from my medical dispensary and I found two seeds in the Lava Cake which you do not find very often so I kept them and one was a male and one was a female I am saving the male to get more seeds from that one once I decide to grow it. Any suggestions to grow the male I would appreciate also to get seeds from the plant to regrow and get as many female seeds as possible is their a specific way to grow a male or just grow it normally? Anyways you see my pictures of what I got and it turned out ugly and smells like I said hay why would it smell this way? I did 18/6 for veg and 12/12 for flower and it said on the package an 8 week cycle to run well I ran it 12 weeks.Thank you all my email is n8bai1979@gmail.com for suggestions or get back to me here and tell me what you all think? Im really curious what people have to say and any tips and any "constructive criticism" I welcome. And am excited to get your feedback and thoughts! Thank you ahead of time Nathan!

 

[byathread]

I got sucked into this thread last night and I thoroughly enjoyed the discussion. I grew up on, and remember fondly, spliffs of tropical sativas (and look forward to growing some sativa leaning autos...will look into FB Mexican Airlines). Yes, a lot of the Mexican stuff was seedy, but quality varied. A lot was probably grown on a large scale, maybe by poor farmers that didn't even smoke, and could be seedy and stemmy and probably improperly dried and cured. But some was fantastic, even if it wasn't sendimilla

 

[Sleeper143]

So the question is Ruderalis B.S.? What conclusion did we come to? Are there anybody out there getting particular their seeds from growers choice that have went through the cycles and fed them and ph'd them did everything perfect and when I was done my plant looked good starting out but at end and chopped down and even greater a few weeks longer than it said this is what I came out with (see pic, it smelled like hay not the cheese seed I ordered, it had the white hairs then I waited for them to turn that Brown I forget what they call the color but the magnifying of the little tiny hay smelling cheese bids from the seeds I got wasn't pleasant at all, it was more of an allergen then anything.) I don't know that I'll even try to smoke it. I am growing one more, I had several not germinate from them I even said less germinated and actually more did not germinate but I didnt want free seeds for whatever went wrong or if they are just a different kind of plant than stated by every website I haven't been doing this long enough to know if this was right or I did something wrong? Or just it is made for hemp usage really the autoflowers/Ruderalis types!? Maybe their seeds arent good like another companies sites? Im just not sure. Im growing a critical purple autoflowering plant now with using purple cows soil which is such an awesome soil to use by the way! I'll take some pics of it and put them on here it grows fast in this soil it's amazing im not sure if it's the type of seed that's growing faster or the soil! But I will be using purple cow everytime now! I am growing an outside feminized Lava Cake Strain which I love the strain I got from my medical dispensary and I found two seeds in the Lava Cake which you do not find very often so I kept them and one was a male and one was a female I am saving the male to get more seeds from that one once I decide to grow it. Any suggestions to grow the male I would appreciate also to get seeds from the plant to regrow and get as many female seeds as possible is their a specific way to grow a male or just grow it normally? Anyways you see my pictures of what I got and it turned out ugly and smells like I said hay why would it smell this way? I did 18/6 for veg and 12/12 for flower and it said on the package an 8 week cycle to run well I ran it 12 weeks.Thank you all my email is n8bai1979@gmail.com for suggestions or get back to me here and tell me what you all think? Im really curious what people have to say and any tips and any "constructive criticism" I welcome. And am excited to get your feedback and thoughts! Thank you ahead of time Nathan!

If it’s was supposed to be an 8 week grow time then I presume it was an auto, correct? If so, why did you drop the light to 12/12? Maybe the sudden reduction in light had an effect.
Also, how did you dry it? During my drying of any strain I get a hay smell for a few days. This is just things like chlorophyll leaving the plant. But eventually that smell fades away and the lovely smells of the strain come through again. Especially after a few weeks curing in jars.
You can’t tell they are ready by looking at the “white hairs” (pistoles) a lot of these will turn brown/amber long before she’s ready to harvest. You want to look at the trichomes on the buds (not on the leaves). When these have changed from clear to mostly milky is when your harvest window has opened. They will slowly (or quickly depending on strain) go from cloudy to amber - anecdotal evidence suggests the more amber, the more couch lock effect. But too much amber and you’ll lose potency potentially. I try not to go past 20% amber.
Looking at your pictures, the big plant in the blue pot doesn’t look ready to me, but because the picture is in purple light it’s hard to tell. Take some pictures in natural light and get some close ups of the trichomes so you can see if they are clear/milky/amber. You’ll need a jewellers loupe (60x magnification) to get a really good view of them.

 

[byathread]

Oops, my post earlier should be as follows...


got sucked into this thread last night and I thoroughly enjoyed the discussion. I grew up on, and remember fondly, spliffs of tropical sativas (and look forward to growing some sativa leaning autos...will look into FB Mexican Airlines). Yes, a lot of the Mexican stuff was seedy, but quality varied. A lot was probably grown on a large scale, maybe by poor farmers that didn't even smoke, and could be seedy and stemmy and probably improperly dried and cured. But some was fantastic, even if it wasn't sensimilla. Then we started getting Hawaiian Blue in the early 90s in Houston and then some BC bud and eventually some more local homegrown. Some of the best was local outdoor sativas or hybrids, maybe Shoreline. Some growers knew what they were doing before the information age. We didn't. But our Mexican bagseed sativas that were guerilla grown still got us high AF. I'm glad to have started growing again after 25 years. And I started with a couple autos.

Back on topic, I'm a researcher and it seems the distinctions drawn, either by the cannabis community or the scientific one are somewhat arbitrary and definitely too rigid. This is a plant whose use stretches deep into prehistory (hemp rope being found in Czech Republic or somewhere in Central Europe in 27000 BC) and was possibly the first plant cultivated by humans. Food, fuel, fiber and medicine. And it's adaptable AF and originated near the massive organized trade network of the Silk Road and was spread widely at an early age. There is some evidence (inconclusive) that it had spread to the New World prior to European contact, not to mention from South Asia to Central Asia, Southeast Asia, China, Europe, Russia, Egypt and Sub-Saharan Africa many centuries ago. Continual selection pressure, based on both feral populations and heavy human interaction (for many diverse uses), over the millennia, not to mention intensive breeding and indoor cultivation in the last half century have turned into what scientists acknowledge is the most genetically diverse plant on the planet. (BTW, Canis familiaris the dog is the most genetically diverse animal on the planet.)

Luckily we live in a new golden age of cannabis where research is rampant, testing is becoming more and more affordable, and more and more people are breeding. It will be an exciting few decades for sure.

I may resort to indoor growing at some point, and it has many obvious advantages, but sungrown is where my heart is. It should be possible to grow superb flower outdoors in any state in the union with the advances in autoflower genetics. I'm looking forward to my grows this year.

As to whether the psychedelic highs of yesteryear were caused by tropical sativa genetics, full full-spectrum (the sun), curing techniques, cannabinoid ratios, terpenes or something else, I don't think we really know yet. Are there notable differences in "sativa" and"indica" highs... surely. But the boundaries are much more blurry and shades of gray than black and white. I've heard that even old-school sativas were high in CBD. One, I don't recall the source or know if, or how often, that might have been true. Two, I'm not even sure you could test that anymore. Even in traditional cannabis cultures, hybrid seeds have been introduced especially in the last few decades and landraces are frequently diluted if not replaced. I would like to do some experimenting with my harvest this year as far as both trichome maturation as well as curing techniques (anyone try Southeast Asian curing where you wrap and bury sativa buds?). Lastly, does it have to do with the enigmatic THCV content? Anybody notice there's a new Dutch Passion strain, THC-Victory https://dutch-passion.com/en/cannabis-seeds/thc-victory, that is a 1:1 THC:THCV strain with about 6.5% of each? This is very interesting. I look forward to specific cannabinoid breeding.

Cheers,

 

[Growtogrow]

You obviously dont work in Detroit Dispenaries. My brother told me some shady stuff that they do! Including naming the same strsin 5 different things, making up names, lying about testing, making edibles from moldy material, ect. So selling 8% anything is possible. Hahahhahaha. But seriously. I have had a Purple Cheesequake for over 15 years. Its a photo stain, it is like 13% THC. But something about the buds gets people higher than 20% stuff and ot smells and looks pretty nice. Looks and smells def play a factor in effects. I remember Subcool in an interview a long time ago tslking about the exact strsin and how it tests low, but feels way higher. He was always considered a pollen chucker back in the day. But he focused his strains on Terpenes. I had a ln Agent Orange thst smelled like that FAKE Organge car scent. Offensive almost. Another point I would like to add. I can get more effects off smokeing or vaping some strains more than the Rosin or Extracts of the same material. Or vice versus. And different effects from vaping, smoking or eating from same buds.

Yup truth.... I know for sure
It's not just Detroit neither it's all over here in Michigan and in other states and I'm sure it's done around the world. The almighty dollar..... they will do anything to make it. They will lie to you. They will tell you anything you want to hear to make that dollar.