No truly outside autos

[Zygote]

everything was started outside from seed...DP Think Different,DP Auto Blueberry,Auto AK,HighRise Seeds GhazexC99,HighRise Seeds Auto C99,and Mossy's Dragons Blood....they're all in the thread in my sig.....

Growing Stock from breeders that breed outdoors will always perform better.

BTW AutoGhaze and AutoC99; every generation was entirely outside including seed germination from the time they where created.

 

[stonemaster]

Mrnicesmoke said his did great outside except for some that were stunted from ph issues.Isn't this a problem? Le672 in a strait runoff showed that compitation against ANY other type of mj, the autos do poorly, or die.If he had planted rudiralis in this mix , how would it have fared?It would have thrived with little or no care. I am running a compitation with autos and photos right now. Everything is the same and now at day 34 more than half the autos are stunted due to a heat and ph problem,only a problem to them as the photos in with them are fine, and the ones thriving are still a pale shadow of the photos. I planted these Sept. 4 so the falling number of daylight hours would bypass the rapid growth stage of the photos making them flower like autos.This they are doing,making flowers on the tips of the limbs, yet they are in rapid growth outrunning the autos. You can see this in my thread "photo verses auto".They take a heavy dose of nitrigen,ha ve a burst of growth and a day later are pale colored in the newest leaves, telling me to give them more.The autos have the same buds but even the ones going great,for autos, act like they are in slow motion. To get 8 oz. yeilds from an auto this is where they need work, in my opinion.The first pic is the autos and the next the photos.See for yourself how they do side by side. If I had a hemp bed, how do you think it would compare? We all have ideas of what would happen but must do side by side comparisons for the facts.In the hardyness issue the autos are the least hardy of ALL breeds of mj. Does this have to remain so or can it be fixed?

 

[Red eyed c]

Mrnicesmoke said his did great outside except for some that were stunted from ph issues.Isn't this a problem? Le672 in a strait runoff showed that compitation against ANY other type of mj, the autos do poorly, or die.If he had planted rudiralis in this mix , how would it have fared?It would have thrived with little or no care. I am running a compitation with autos and photos right now. Everything is the same and now at day 34 more than half the autos are stunted due to a heat and ph problem,only a problem to them as the photos in with them are fine, and the ones thriving are still a pale shadow of the photos. I planted these Sept. 4 so the falling number of daylight hours would bypass the rapid growth stage of the photos making them flower like autos.This they are doing,making flowers on the tips of the limbs, yet they are in rapid growth outrunning the autos. You can see this in my thread "photo verses auto".They take a heavy dose of nitrigen,haView attachment 129524ve a burst of growth and a day later are pale colored in the newest leaves, telling me to give them more.The autos have the same buds but even the ones goingView attachment 129523 great,for autos, act like they are in slow motion. To get 8 oz. yeilds from an auto this is where they need work, in my opinion.The first pic is the autos and the next the photos.See for yourself how they do side by side. If I had a hemp bed, how do you think it would compare? We all have ideas of what would happen but must do side by side comparisons for the facts.In the hardyness issue the autos are the least hardy of ALL breeds of mj. Does this have to remain so or can it be fixed?

Autos are still quite a new thing mate compared to photo plants,they've been getting grown and bred for decades,hence a great diverse selection to choose from depending on your growing climate ..it's gonna take a while to have as many diverse auto strains as photos but there are strains out there like the dragons,and the above mentioned auto Ghaze and C99 that have been bread outdoors and that perform really well.iv had one harvest already this year and a few weeks off another one,grown outdoors in the uk,and its been the wettest,grimmest summer I can remember in 30 odd years.
This chaze was grown outdoors in Spain and came in at around 500 gram of bud,check out the thread bud https://www.autoflower.org/f21/chazedays-1477.html

 

[stonemaster]

Thanks red eyed c,that is a great thread. I just started reading it and the first thing that I noticed is that stich said "no lowryder genes" in his decribsion of the genectics of chaze. Why would he say this. It is my opionen that the lack of hardyness started with the lowryder. It's gene are at the bottom of the bulk of the auto strains. If this weakness started here it would explain our current situation and why stich left it out of one of his highest producers.Is he saying it is a selling point to NOT have lowryder as a componate? I think so. I think he is trying to fix this problem and maybe has already in the Chaze. When I grow up I want to be just like him! He is leading the charge and I love following him.

 

[Red eyed c]

I'm not sure if that's what stitch is trying to say mate,there's more than one type of ruderalis out there so it up to the breeder to select what he wants for each project.it i wouldn't read to much into that comment.looking at lowryder it does have decent genetics like santa maria,it also has Mexican ruderalis which may not be ideal for cooler climates like northern europe due to its natural habitat.lowryder will grow outdoors but maybe not to its full potential in different climates.however a cross with say a Russian ruderalis would prob work better in a cooler climate due to Russia's cooler climate.:smokebuds:

 

[Zygote]

I do not believe that pure Lowrider was I weak growing stain outside. Yes it was low potency. Here is a photo of pure Lowrider grown outside in 2005.

 

[stonemaster]

Wow! 7 years ago and I had not even heard of autos. You are one of the pioneres all of us who follow owe a big debt! Thank you for all your work and far thinking ideas. What is the average weight of those. Maybe 14 grams of low grade smoke. A great start but shows there was a problem even then. They look like the ones I grew that got stunted, but the good ones gave close to 2 oz. each. So things have come a long way but there is a long way to go.

 

[GoAuto6]

......Zygote......

 

[stonemaster]

Ok. I had just my observations and conclusions and now the great breeders here to guide me. I think with the c99 and chaze, this problem is already being solved by great breeders. However, I found the work of great plant geneticist Luther Burbank online, and will spend the next week trying to absorbe it. In his discussen on the traits of a new plant is evolved , there is a ranking of traits to breed for. He was concidered a master of making new strains of foodsuths such as the Idaho potato, first known as the burbank potato. Here is the order HE gave for choosing traits in order to create a new ,and better, strain.
1/potency and size.
2/vigor must be started outside to weed out the weak ones ( remember, this is step two)
3/adaptability He said mj is one of the most adaptable species he had worked with
4/hardiness the ability to hit the ground running and compete as a weed would
5/ desease and pest
6/maturation it was important in his work for a crop to finish all at the same time
7/ root production

 

[stonemaster]

So I guess my question is, were these time proven tecneiches used in the early development of autos. Or did they do steps 1 and 6 well but missed steps 2,3,4,and 5? I think so, or we would have autos that hit the ground running, needed no intenseve care first trimester and there for grew much larger with much bigger yeilds. Bypassing the photoperiod gene did not cause this problem. Mr. Burbank said this is what would happen and the importance of human and envirimental selection is the determining facter needed to create commericaly viable strains. Isn't this what people say, the autos have a place but they will never be compition to photos for production. Why not? Look at the yeilds stichs chaze is doing and it went thru this prosses. No one here that I hear here are breeding for vigor, mostly potency, taste and sometimes color. These indoor strains are fine for the indoor grower, but for us who beleive sunshine and rainwater are the best additives, autos need work. Luckily it is a simple problem to solve for us who breed their own seeds. Simply plant 10 times more than you need in your patch, then be viscios weeding out all but the ones that excelled. Do this a few generation in a row, using only the hardy ones for seedstock, and surely there will be a great improvment in this problem. I will be doing this anyway. I do not think a breeder should give an outside harvest weight on a strain that needs to be inside first. An inside/outside weight is the truth and I wasted many hundreds of dollars finding out.