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look like you and those 2 strains get on very well !!!!............. apart from underwatering, and over feeding a tad, you smashed it........................... and you use no "Canna Pk13/14" trichome boost at 250ppm last 4wks of flower, (Grusome kit !) if you did......... they would be pure silverbacks !.............



i would guess in cocco, with a low Ph feed @5.8, buffered by the alkaline "sink" or calcium carbonate reservoir, inherent in the cocco fibre,............... the run off Ph should show around 6.1 to 6.3................. if the cocco went acidic the phosphorus would drop out of uptake range and show whole leaf yellowing, mid to lower plant area...... as chart below Ph5.8 = phos lock then the others follow "Chronically" not "Acutely"

i tend to run a slightly higher Ph in cocco or soil, for the last 3-5wks of fruitification, and maintain that Ph into the zero nute flush period 7-10days..... higher Ph in flower target the flowering macro mobile nutrient uptake Ph availability much better >>
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Pk13/14 last 4-8wks of flower.................at 250ppm.................... add some sugars of some sort every third feed, 1tbls of sulfur or aluminum free molasses, in 500ml feed water give each plant 100ml "Then water it in" with feed water on top....... 'Palm Tree Ashes" i use................. a top dress on the soil........... 1tbls twice, during the 6-8wk flowering period......................they break down slowly, preventing acute acidic grow medium "Ph Swings".......



what you see is the "genetic variance" of the bean population pheno & genotypical outcomes, when they where conceived !!............ a sort of canna Asperger's.................. the plant is "Sensitive" to odd ball things like, over watering or dont like to much n........ in particular, "Aint Keen On Hiigh Ec's"........... and low Ph'es........



The evidence, the "Plant Visual Feedback" of the affects of high dose concentrations (Ec's) of macro mobile nutrients NPKCa..............is staring you in the face is the very dark green primary leaf color........ next grow try and half the feeds measures or Ec's you used this grow, add the flower boosters at the end of a grow....



nutrient build up in the cocco....................... if you take an Ec reading of the run off test you are going to do................. it will read 2.5 or above................ leading to nutrient burn at the perifery and seration at the leaf edges.......... as pics above.............. on the lower leaves.................... the upper leaves show no burn............... so just one or two double strength feeds, proply led to the burn and super green of the high nitrogen content in the feed........................ cal/mag has a very high nitrogen content as N is the K & ca vector......



he might not use a Ec or Ph meter, is what led to the high nutrient chronic application........... the strongest Ec i feed at the end of flower boosts is Ec0.9................thats nutrient only Ec.................... dose not include feed water Ph at the time of mixing............................ i allway's warm my feed water to 2c above the root temp at 21-22c................... so i feed it at 24c............... in soil temp of 22c..................... they love warm feed........ like tropical rain.........



see chart above thats a bit low for end of flower @d78-82 etc................... even in cocco.................

due to the resilience of the strain..................... more than one of the reasons it was originally sellected........ it will yield you a nice flower collection..................... i recommend due to nute build up,............... you give them a water only, water flush for 7 days to reduce flower nutrient levels, which if left, then dry'ed into the flowers can result in a being a bit harsh on the throat.................

A pure water flush at Ph7.0.............. then leave them in the pots to dry out the root and flowers, for 3 days light on, and a day 24hrs lights off, before you cut them down......... so the flowers are dry'er when harvested, and dry easier when left on the plant to dry a while first.... and the terpene's will be much more prominant, after letting the flowers dry a while on the plant...................... enjoy the fruit ALR
Thanks for all of your valuable information! I’ll digest this and act accordingly! Thanks again for your time!
 
Ok watered today. 2/2/6. Lowered everything down a notch from 4/2/8. Hopefully not too much of a shock or anything? Ph 6.0-6.1

Marie run off: 1565 ppm ph 6.1
Righty run off 2265 ppm ph 6.0

I guess my question is should I start a water feed water schedule? Or should I flush and reset with less nutes per feeding? I’m just trying to figure out how to manage feeding withoutbover doing it.
 
Marie run off: 1565 ppm ph 6.1
Righty run off 2265 ppm ph 6.0

I guess my question is should I start a water feed water schedule? Or should I flush and reset with less nutes per feeding? I’m just trying to figure out how to manage feeding withoutbover doing it.

blimey i was nearly 100% spot on with my run off prediction !!! i said Ph6.3 and Ec2.2. The run off shows you have been feeding very strong nute, what has not been used has built up in the cocco.......... from memory you are day 78 plus, near the end of the grow....... i would half your bloom feed for a few feeds........ and see how they respond................. you dont have a lot of time on the grow left............ you want to flush with zero nute water Ph'ed to 6.5 to allow better flower nute uptake as chart posted................ then leave them to dry in the pots for 3 days minimum................ before harvest, will allow flower to dry a bit on the plant, promotes terpen values also..................... plus your cocco will be dry and light weight to dispose of................. during root ball smuggling !!................... your run off PPM is nearly off the bottom of the chart below.............. i would flush them for 10 days minimum untill they start to take back the nutes in the plant leaves and they go autumb brown............ the trichs load up around that time to a ripe load............hope you got some PK13/14 type boosts going in for the last few feeds before flush................ALR
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blimey i was nearly 100% spot on with my run off prediction !!! i said Ph6.3 and Ec2.2. The run off shows you have been feeding very strong nute, what has not been used has built up in the cocco.......... from memory you are day 78 plus, near the end of the grow....... i would half your bloom feed for a few feeds........ and see how they respond................. you dont have a lot of time on the grow left............ you want to flush with zero nute water Ph'ed to 6.5 to allow better flower nute uptake as chart posted................ then leave them to dry in the pots for 3 days minimum................ before harvest, will allow flower to dry a bit on the plant, promotes terpen values also..................... plus your cocco will be dry and light weight to dispose of................. during root ball smuggling !!................... your run off PPM is nearly off the bottom of the chart below.............. i would flush them for 10 days minimum untill they start to take back the nutes in the plant leaves and they go autumb brown............ the trichs load up around that time to a ripe load............hope you got some PK13/14 type boosts going in for the last few feeds before flush................ALR
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Thanks again! So just to clarify I should feed 1/2 strength from what I was doing until I’m ready to do the 10 day flush right?

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Will this be ok for the pk booster?
 
look like you and those 2 strains get on very well !!!!............. apart from underwatering, and over feeding a tad, you smashed it........................... and you use no "Canna Pk13/14" trichome boost at 250ppm last 4wks of flower, (Grusome kit !) if you did......... they would be pure silverbacks !.............



i would guess in cocco, with a low Ph feed @5.8, buffered by the alkaline "sink" or calcium carbonate reservoir, inherent in the cocco fibre,............... the run off Ph should show around 6.1 to 6.3................. if the cocco went acidic the phosphorus would drop out of uptake range and show whole leaf yellowing, mid to lower plant area...... as chart below Ph5.8 = phos lock then the others follow "Chronically" not "Acutely"

i tend to run a slightly higher Ph in cocco or soil, for the last 3-5wks of fruitification, and maintain that Ph into the zero nute flush period 7-10days..... higher Ph in flower target the flowering macro mobile nutrient uptake Ph availability much better >>
View attachment 1029290



Pk13/14 last 4-8wks of flower.................at 250ppm.................... add some sugars of some sort every third feed, 1tbls of sulfur or aluminum free molasses, in 500ml feed water give each plant 100ml "Then water it in" with feed water on top....... 'Palm Tree Ashes" i use................. a top dress on the soil........... 1tbls twice, during the 6-8wk flowering period......................they break down slowly, preventing acute acidic grow medium "Ph Swings".......



what you see is the "genetic variance" of the bean population pheno & genotypical outcomes, when they where conceived !!............ a sort of canna Asperger's.................. the plant is "Sensitive" to odd ball things like, over watering or dont like to much n........ in particular, "Aint Keen On Hiigh Ec's"........... and low Ph'es........



The evidence, the "Plant Visual Feedback" of the affects of high dose concentrations (Ec's) of macro mobile nutrients NPKCa..............is staring you in the face is the very dark green primary leaf color........ next grow try and half the feeds measures or Ec's you used this grow, add the flower boosters at the end of a grow....



nutrient build up in the cocco....................... if you take an Ec reading of the run off test you are going to do................. it will read 2.5 or above................ leading to nutrient burn at the perifery and seration at the leaf edges.......... as pics above.............. on the lower leaves.................... the upper leaves show no burn............... so just one or two double strength feeds, proply led to the burn and super green of the high nitrogen content in the feed........................ cal/mag has a very high nitrogen content as N is the K & ca vector......



he might not use a Ec or Ph meter, is what led to the high nutrient chronic application........... the strongest Ec i feed at the end of flower boosts is Ec0.9................thats nutrient only Ec.................... dose not include feed water Ph at the time of mixing............................ i allway's warm my feed water to 2c above the root temp at 21-22c................... so i feed it at 24c............... in soil temp of 22c..................... they love warm feed........ like tropical rain.........



see chart above thats a bit low for end of flower @d78-82 etc................... even in cocco.................

due to the resilience of the strain..................... more than one of the reasons it was originally sellected........ it will yield you a nice flower collection..................... i recommend due to nute build up,............... you give them a water only, water flush for 7 days to reduce flower nutrient levels, which if left, then dry'ed into the flowers can result in a being a bit harsh on the throat.................

A pure water flush at Ph7.0.............. then leave them in the pots to dry out the root and flowers, for 3 days light on, and a day 24hrs lights off, before you cut them down......... so the flowers are dry'er when harvested, and dry easier when left on the plant to dry a while first.... and the terpene's will be much more prominant, after letting the flowers dry a while on the plant...................... enjoy the fruit ALR
You damn people on the metric system need to get with the program with us Americans lol. Heating the Nutrient solution is unnessary as long as it's not freezing cold your fine. A recirculating pump warms the water a bit warm anyway. Exspecially if its hot in the tent a little cooler water helps them cool down remember ground temps are around 55 to 60 degrees so thats what the roots are used to and rain is never a higher temp than the weather. I'm not saying heating it is bad just unnessary. My biggest advice for hydroponics and growing overall is plants love consistency. A sudden change in ph or ppm or a nutrient imballence at the root zone can dramaticly affect the plant very quickly. Exspecially with hydro when the plants are fed daily and depend on you to give them what they need there's alot more chance for error then say soil. Even when I do flushes mid grow I don't do it with straight water I do it with a mild nutrient solution so not to change things to quickly and shock the plant. But I avoid this by getting 15-20% runoff when I feed to avoid nutrient and salt buildups. And my ppms are around 250 - 300 for flower and 100-200 for veg and 50-100 as seedlings. But I'm using RO water as well so my starting water is 8ppm. I see alot of people using other growers nutrient sceduals and ppm levels and most are for photoperiods wich are way less nutrients sensitive. And every grow has so many diffrent factors at play simply copying another person's methods will almost always lead to issues. Every grower needs to learn through exsperience and get the feel for it on their own. It's good to do research but more times than not it's gonna leave you with more questions then answers. Very few things are universal from one grow to the next. And growing Autos from seed is so much more difficult bc every strain and every phenotype has it's own set of likes and dislikes. You gotta learn to read the plant and see what it's telling you.
 
Ok watered today. 2/2/6. Lowered everything down a notch from 4/2/8. Hopefully not too much of a shock or anything? Ph 6.0-6.1

Marie run off: 1565 ppm ph 6.1
Righty run off 2265 ppm ph 6.0

I guess my question is should I start a water feed water schedule? Or should I flush and reset with less nutes per feeding? I’m just trying to figure out how to manage feeding withoutbover doing it.
Holy shit dude that's a very high ppm your pushing nute lockout territory I actually surprised she hasent yet. What's your ppm before adding nutrients?
 
Holy shit dude that's a very high ppm your pushing nute lockout territory I actually surprised she hasent yet. What's your ppm before adding nutrients?
My tap water ppm is around 350

I think I’m just confused as what to do? Do I flush now? Do I just reduce the nutes and keep going?

I was feeding every watering until early flower. I then switched to feed feed water.
 
If it was me I would flush but the last gallon or so add 1/4 strength nutrients to it. (Not sure how big of pots your using). Sounds like it will fix er up.
I’m usung 5 gal pots with about 4 gal of coco. So roughly 12-15 gals of water?
 
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