NEEM oil DANGER !! Cannabis growers be aware!

[Columbo]

I would rather be wrong on Neem and have nothing bad happen to any of you, my friends, than to go quietly in the night, with a suspicion of adverse effect and not say anything. What we eat, is different than what we inhale. Even cannabis eaten has a different mode of action and effect than that which we inhale from either smoke, or vapor (be it from cartridges or from flowers in a herbal vaporizer). Neem is found generally recognized as safe by the organic growers for their vegetables. however, I am not growing a vegetable, but marijuana, which, has the ability to uptake chemicals and toxins at a level that classifies them as
phytoremediation.

Since I am VERY new to marijuana I asked the question about CHS on a marijuana grow forum. Moderator there stated she has been smoking every day, all day for some 50 years and has never experienced CHS, nor has she met any other long term marijuana smoker that has had these symptoms. I was concerned with "over-indulging", and wanted to make sure. One of the forum members gave a link to an article about neem and similar effect that are happening to marijuana smokers. It doesn't say that people eating tomatoes or apples or anything else were getting this sick, but marijuana smokers, who had consumed Neem treated plants, were getting sick.

I went to the link provided by OregonBlackBear and have little faith in the article. One, it is put out by the government as an anti-marijuana propaganda, and 2. It's full of crap. I'll believe some of the links I posted on first post before I'd believe and anti-marijuana government published piece that probably was well funded by "Big Pharma" to protect their ass.
Link I was originally given.... https://potguide.com/pot-guide-mari...mesis-syndrome-really-be-pesticide-poisoning/

I will continue to search for more reliable reports, but "you" may find better ones than I do.

 

[AltheGardener]

Neem leaves are used in soups and stews in India. Delicious, by the way. It would take a heck of a lot of the main active chemical in neem to do harm. It's true though that smoking the leaves would be a very different situation, but I highly doubt toxicity at foliar spray levels.

 

[Columbo]

Neem leaves are used in soups and stews in India. Delicious, by the way. .

Bet they're not on their Big Mac or Quarter Pounder! LOL It could be such a thing that neem leaves are fairly 'ok' in soup. I prefer potatoes and onions in my soup, along with an egg beaten and then an abundance of flour added to the egg to make "rivels" sort of a dumpling.

 

[hunter2348]

I’m hooked on columbo


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[OregonBlackBear]

If you would rather believe unqualified anonymous stoners from the dark corners of the internet rather than peer reviewed studies, there is nothing I can do to help you Columbo. You're going to have a very hard time verifying accurate information with that approach of "I like it because it supports what I say"

Neem is perfectly safe for everyone here to use. The link you provided is just stoners musing on a subject with absolutely no verified information. So what you are doing right now is spreading fear based misinformation. That's what people used to do with cannabis, remember reefer madness?

CHS is very real. It's something I have seen multiple examples of in person working in the legal cannabis industry. I myself have experienced severe reactions from the overuse of cannabis. I became nauseous, got hives and other skin reactions, would become unable to operate, and often dizzy. I had to quit smoking for a while just so I'd be able to later on. To say "X doesn't exist because it didn't happen to me." does not mean it doesn't happen to others folks.

Be very careful about how you verify information, the internet is awash in unsubstantiated speculation.

 

[Columbo]

I'l like to think I"m spreading a little caution and to consider that CHS may not always be direclty related to marijuana. I've visited with users that have used heavliy for 3 to 4 decades and more and never ran across the condition of CHS with them or others they were very familiar with that had similar. @OregonBlackBear You say you have had it, but have you really been tested at the time for any toxins in your system that could be from Azadirachtin poison?
1. Marijuana is very prone to uptake heavy metals and other chemicals from soil and is a "soil cleanser" of sort, classified as a phytoremediator. Since NEEM contains Azadirachtin, it should be reasonable that this plant will uptake it into it's leaves and flowers.
Interestingly enough, Neem oil poisoning and Cannabis Hyperemesis Syndrome have exactly the same symptoms, additionally, having the same treatment.
It was stated that I'd "rather believe unqualified anonymous stoners from the dark corners of the internet rather than peer reviewed studies, " Yet, here I am, in this forum, reading from those are totally anonymous (and stoners) to me. Maybe it's just me, but when it comes to government published anti-marijuana studies, I have a lot more faith in those links above. Call me suspicious, but I am not trying to put fear into those growing, but give perhaps new insight into some "POSSIBLE" made up scenario that may exist, but on a very rare basis.
http://skunkisland.ca/medical-cannabis/649/cannabis-hyperemesis-syndrome-neem-poisoning/
https://steemit.com/cannabis/@drutt...e-chs-is-actually-azadirachtin-neem-poisoning
Neem Oil poisoning link National Institute of Health: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3841499/

When marijuana uptakes the Azadirachtin into it's growth, there appears to be some of this chemical in the flower Trichomes. I cannot say that there is alteration or concentration. We do know that what one smokes directly into the lungs is uptake direcbly into the blood stream via capillary action. How that would effect a persons health, having smoked weed with neem in the flower's Trichomes, I do not fully know. I do know I don't want it, "just in case".

 

[Steviestash]

A lot of the reports of neem oil poisoning that you mention is from people drinking the oil it's not meant to be drank so doesn't really prove anything that's like saying water is toxic because someone drowned your supposed to drink water but get it in your lungs and you drown

 

[Steviestash]

When it comes to science you should always trust the scientists

 

[HashMaster]

Some General ramblings of a very old stoner
(who is currently stoned)

Lethal Concentration for neem oil inhaled is 6.2mg/l
(LC50 - Median lethal dose)

Now if that is the LC50 level, what kinds of affects and ailments occur prior to death at lower levels ?

I have no clue, but I have been smoking since 1963 and have known a lot of stoners in my life... and I have never seen or more importantly heard of anyone experiencing Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome.

I did get to live through the president of the United States (Carter) attempting to poison off all the stoners with Paraquat... but that's another story.

Cannabis is known as one of the most efficient accumulator plants in existence, it is used by governments and corporations world wide to suck up heavy metals, radioactive waste, and toxic waste. It is used to clean up soil at Superfund sites as well as nuclear accident sites.

It is basically nature's vacuum. Which is why before I would buy any growing medium I always checked into any and all testing that was done for heavy metals, contaminants, etc. And it is why I no longer use commercial products on my grows, Neem oil included.

Every little bit helps...

Know this, any info put out there is subject to change in your lifetime whether it be from stoners, or the government, or from peer reviewed papers and research. I don't trust much of any of it, and you may learn not to as well.

I have seen far too much incorrect info published and put out as fact that is no longer an accepted fact.

Asbestos is completely safe for any application, butter is even healthier in larger amounts as it lubricates your arteries, It is impossible for GMO's to ever escape into nature, Mercury is safe as a children's toy, Cigarettes improve lung function, Lead is safe when eaten, oh... and Teflon is safe to eat as well....

Those are just a few of the things that were put out there that have changed I'm my lifetime. There are many many more... plus throw in revisionist history and... well.... if you are paying attention now you won't trust much out there either when you get to be my age.

 

[Columbo]

2 holer outhouse, huh? Place for you and for the Missess.