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[The Elvis]

Earth momma did you buy any cal+mag?

 

[Heavily Medicated]

I've never used myself, but have read it is pretty strong. I don't know if you are running full strength of what is suggested on the bottle, but from the journals I've read, with autos you should not be over about 1/2 the suggested mix. The suggested mix is for photos. You are getting to the time in an auto grow where typically cal/mg is needed, especially if you use LED. A good flushing is not going to hurt for sure. Do you adjust the pH of the water and nutes that you feed? It looks like you are seeing some nutrient lockout most likely from pH being out of range.

 

[HotBunz]

IMO...we need a PH check ...like yesterday...and they need a flush at least that way we know where we are starting at.

 

[Earthmomma]

Well, I've never checked the PH. And as far as cal & mag, unless it is in the or the Expert then no. I did just go to Home Depot and bought some new soil and some perlite. Unfortunately, all I could find was perlite with some nutes in it. I am going to flush all the plants and repot the photos. I want to repot the autos too. Will it hurt them at this late period? And also, since the perlite has some nutes in it, can I wait to start up with the Expert food again?

 

[Earthmomma]

I've never used myself, but have read it is pretty strong. I don't know if you are running full strength of what is suggested on the bottle, but from the journals I've read, with autos you should not be over about 1/2 the suggested mix. The suggested mix is for photos. You are getting to the time in an auto grow where typically cal/mg is needed, especially if you use LED. A good flushing is not going to hurt for sure. Do you adjust the pH of the water and nutes that you feed? It looks like you are seeing some nutrient lockout most likely from pH being out of range.

Honestly, their "feeding" schedule is so fucked up, I thought I was going 50% strength. I realized that it really is not for autos as there is absolutely no information online for and autos. I may continue using it on the photos, but I am done with the with the autos.

 

[Heavily Medicated]

Honestly, their "feeding" schedule is so fucked up, I thought I was going 50% strength. I realized that it really is not for autos as there is absolutely no information online for and autos. I may continue using it on the photos, but I am done with the with the autos.

You will rarely find any nutrient company that even acknowledges that autoflowering cannabis even exists. It's kind of baptism under fire. Your best bet is to read through as many journals as you can that use the same product your interested in. I know many auto growers us the trio and most are quite satisfied. I would not be too quick to blame the , it may have just been a coincidence that your symptoms showed up soon after you switched. Do you feed and water until you get 20% or so runoff? This helps keep the salts that build up washed out of the soil. Too much salt buildup in your soil and your pH starts to drop quickly. Once your pH drops far enough, you get nutrient lockout which means your plant can not take up any nutrients no matter the nutrient level of soil. An Accurate 8 pH/moisture probe is the best 50.00 you will spend on grow equipment. The cheap ones just don't work for shit. If you don't have one, you also need a liquid pH pen so you can monitor and adjust your water and feeds. If you are in soil, shoot for around 6.5 pH, soilless mix around 6.3. Most growers highly underestimate the importance of monitoring and adjusting pH levels. Very, Very important. Again, another item not so expensive but a valuable tool is an EC/PPM pen. By monitoring the ppm levels of your ins and outs, you can usually head off a problem before it affects your girls too harshly. When your runoff ppm starts to get high, it's time for a flush. Most growers give a good flushing when switchng from grow to bloom nutrients or about 1/2 way through the grow.

Well, I've never checked the PH. And as far as cal & mag, unless it is in the or the Expert then no. I did just go to Home Depot and bought some new soil and some perlite. Unfortunately, all I could find was perlite with some nutes in it. I am going to flush all the plants and repot the photos. I want to repot the autos too. Will it hurt them at this late period? And also, since the perlite has some nutes in it, can I wait to start up with the Expert food again?

I don't think I would repot the autos, especially at this point. I think you would slow them down alot and sacrifice yield. Flush your autos with 3X the size of the pot. EX: a 12 liter pot should be flushed with 36 liters of pHed water, then give them a light feeding of nutes with the pH adjusted to about 6.5 then let her dry out good before you water/feed again.

 

[The Elvis]

hey little momma .. when i first started growing autos i had the same issues.. using i struggled through about 4 grows until i tried Advanced Nutrients with PH perfect. A guy who calls himself tang has a fantastic nute schedule for growing autos start to finish using AN's nute line. when I priced AN i about died because it is very expensive very! But I found a dude named jason5656 or the nute house on ebay who will sell small amounts of AN. bloom and grow A+B tangs whole schedule cost about 100 dollars from the "nute house" and you can just not worry about a PH pin or meter. you have a cal+mag issue and wile Epson salt and molasses is a good, its still not enough for a autoflower plant.

here ill even post Tangs feed schedule.. FYI tang uses 5L I use 4.25 so I just back off a bit on the ML

Days 1 to 10 - plain tap water (PH 7.4)


Days 10 to 15 - 5ml Sensi Grow A, 5ml Sensi Grow B, 5ml Voodoo Juice.


Days 15 to 20 - 6ml Sensi Grow A, 6ml Sensi Grow B, 5ml Voodoo Juice, 5ml Carboload.


Days 20 to 25 - 7ml Sensi Grow A, 7ml Sensi Grow B, 5ml B52, 5ml SensiZym, 5ml Carboload, 5ml RhinoSkin.


Days 25 to 30 - 8ml Sensi Grow A, 8ml Sensi Grow B, 5ml B52, 5ml SensiZym, 5ml Carboload, 5ml RhinoSkin.


Day 30 - Flush medium of mineral build up by passing water through soil,I will use water straight from the tap no sitting out and I will put 40L through my 15L pots with the last 5L containing 5ml Sensi Bloom A, 5ml Sensi Bloom B and 5ml Voodoo juice. The medium will not need watering on day 31.


Day 32 to 35 - 9ml Sensi Bloom A, 9ml Sensi Bloom B,5ml Voodoo Juice,5ml BigBud, 5ml Carboload,5ml Calmag.


Day 35 to 40 - 10ml Sensi Bloom A, 10ml Sensi Bloom B, 5ml Voodoo Juice, 5ml BigBud, 5ml Carboload, 5ml Calmag.


Day 40 to 45 - 10ml Sensi Bloom A, 10ml Sensi Bloom B, 5ml B52, 5ml BigBud, 5ml Carboload, 5ml Calmag.


Day 45 to 60 - 10ml Sensi Bloom A, 10ml Sensi Bloom B, 5ml B52, 5ml Overdrive, 5ml Calmag, 10ml Carboload, 10ml Bud Factor X.


Day 60 to 70 - just water with un-PH'd water.


happy growing !!

 

[The Elvis]

o please dont pull those autos out of their pots they could die. stabilize your PH and get some cal+MAG its cheap!

 

[Earthmomma]

hey little momma .. when i first started growing autos i had the same issues.. using i struggled through about 4 grows until i tried Advanced Nutrients with PH perfect. A guy who calls himself tang has a fantastic nute schedule for growing autos start to finish using AN's nute line. when I priced AN i about died because it is very expensive very! But I found a dude named jason5656 or the nute house on ebay who will sell small amounts of AN. bloom and grow A+B tangs whole schedule cost about 100 dollars from the "nute house" and you can just not worry about a PH pin or meter. you have a cal+mag issue and wile Epson salt and molasses is a good, its still not enough for a autoflower plant.

here ill even post Tangs feed schedule.. FYI tang uses 5L I use 4.25 so I just back off a bit on the ML

Days 1 to 10 - plain tap water (PH 7.4)


Days 10 to 15 - 5ml Sensi Grow A, 5ml Sensi Grow B, 5ml Voodoo Juice.


Days 15 to 20 - 6ml Sensi Grow A, 6ml Sensi Grow B, 5ml Voodoo Juice, 5ml Carboload.


Days 20 to 25 - 7ml Sensi Grow A, 7ml Sensi Grow B, 5ml B52, 5ml SensiZym, 5ml Carboload, 5ml RhinoSkin.


Days 25 to 30 - 8ml Sensi Grow A, 8ml Sensi Grow B, 5ml B52, 5ml SensiZym, 5ml Carboload, 5ml RhinoSkin.


Day 30 - Flush medium of mineral build up by passing water through soil,I will use water straight from the tap no sitting out and I will put 40L through my 15L pots with the last 5L containing 5ml Sensi Bloom A, 5ml Sensi Bloom B and 5ml Voodoo juice. The medium will not need watering on day 31.


Day 32 to 35 - 9ml Sensi Bloom A, 9ml Sensi Bloom B,5ml Voodoo Juice,5ml BigBud, 5ml Carboload,5ml Calmag.


Day 35 to 40 - 10ml Sensi Bloom A, 10ml Sensi Bloom B, 5ml Voodoo Juice, 5ml BigBud, 5ml Carboload, 5ml Calmag.


Day 40 to 45 - 10ml Sensi Bloom A, 10ml Sensi Bloom B, 5ml B52, 5ml BigBud, 5ml Carboload, 5ml Calmag.


Day 45 to 60 - 10ml Sensi Bloom A, 10ml Sensi Bloom B, 5ml B52, 5ml Overdrive, 5ml Calmag, 10ml Carboload, 10ml Bud Factor X.


Day 60 to 70 - just water with un-PH'd water.


happy growing !! View attachment 447401

Hmmmm. May look into this for the next grow. I have 3 auto seeds left yet.

 

[Earthmomma]

You will rarely find any nutrient company that even acknowledges that autoflowering cannabis even exists. It's kind of baptism under fire. Your best bet is to read through as many journals as you can that use the same product your interested in. I know many auto growers us the trio and most are quite satisfied. I would not be too quick to blame the , it may have just been a coincidence that your symptoms showed up soon after you switched. Do you feed and water until you get 20% or so runoff? This helps keep the salts that build up washed out of the soil. Too much salt buildup in your soil and your pH starts to drop quickly. Once your pH drops far enough, you get nutrient lockout which means your plant can not take up any nutrients no matter the nutrient level of soil. An Accurate 8 pH/moisture probe is the best 50.00 you will spend on grow equipment. The cheap ones just don't work for shit. If you don't have one, you also need a liquid pH pen so you can monitor and adjust your water and feeds. If you are in soil, shoot for around 6.5 pH, soilless mix around 6.3. Most growers highly underestimate the importance of monitoring and adjusting pH levels. Very, Very important. Again, another item not so expensive but a valuable tool is an EC/PPM pen. By monitoring the ppm levels of your ins and outs, you can usually head off a problem before it affects your girls too harshly. When your runoff ppm starts to get high, it's time for a flush. Most growers give a good flushing when switchng from grow to bloom nutrients or about 1/2 way through the grow.


I don't think I would repot the autos, especially at this point. I think you would slow them down alot and sacrifice yield. Flush your autos with 3X the size of the pot. EX: a 12 liter pot should be flushed with 36 liters of pHed water, then give them a light feeding of nutes with the pH adjusted to about 6.5 then let her dry out good before you water/feed again.

I decided on my ride to work this morning that I am leaving them in their pots. We've gone too far to start fucking around now. And they actually don't look worse today. I am getting ready to flush them shortly. Pics are posted before the flush.