Most Efficient Breeding Setup

[Slimpikens]

When I'm breeding I generally keep my male in a space bucket type of set up with some CFLs. Then I'll usually only only pollinate one bud per female. That is usually worth 20-50 seeds and it leaves me plenty to smoke. I just bring the male and female to a work bench and make the sexy times happen with a little makeup brush.

With only 24 inches of overhead clearance, you are probably going want to go with CFLs. They can be practically touching the plants and tend to not grow tall stretchy plants.

You can actually use seeded bud to smoke, especially if you use the leftover bud after you collect seeds for extracts or hash. The THC is still there, it's just in a lot fewer trichomes. Us old timers have been smoking seeded bud for decades. It's why we have so few kids

The space bucket idea is really cool! As long as I've been obsessing I can't believe this is the first I've heard of it. And, I really hated the idea of tossing the entire plant so great to know they can still be salvaged.

 

[Slimpikens]

Would a process like this work? Day 1 I germinate 2 feminized seeds of different varieties in the 2x2 breeding tent in the double autopot module. If I reverse the entire plant I'll end up with too much pollen for my needs so I will just reverse a lower branch of each plant. I only need to reverse one branch on one plant but since I have the double module I figure as a beginner I will improve my odds of a successful reversal if I have 2 plants to attempt the reversal on. When balls begin to form I will start 2 feminized autos in the other double autopot module in the flower tent(Same 2 strains as being reversesd) When the pollen nears completion I will collect it from the best sample and get rid of these two plants since they've been exposed to cs. At this point, I bring the 2 plants from the flowering tent over and pollinate them using a qtip or brush. Since I'm only using one type of pollen I shouldn't have to worry about separating them. This should give me hybrid seeds on the cross and duplicate seeds on the same strain. Since I only need a 100 seeds from each variety I should plan on pollinating about 5 bud sites. If I do it this way without the need to separate and use the smaller chambers, I can use one as a dedicated seedling chamber, and I guess the other as a drying chamber. Does this sound reasonable?

 

[Slimpikens]

On further thought, since I am now only going to work with one type of pollen at a time, could I just put both double autopot modules in the 2x2 since they will only be used for breeding and kept small. I just figure it will save me from having to start breeding plants in the flowering tent and then have to bring them over when they reach the correct age for pollination.

 

[Proph]

I'm still reading that the plan is to reverse two different strains at the same time.. If your going to do that, the two reversed plants will need to be completely separate from each other.. Maybe cut of the reversed branches, place them in water bottles or a vase.. In two different rooms, and wait for pollen to fall. Otherwise the pollen will mix and you wont know what's what. Is it madatory that you reverse two different strains at once? Also, dusting one branch with pollen can easily get you 100 seeds. If you dust 4-5 branches, you will have hundreds of seeds. And again, the reversed plants will pollinate themselves and make seeds as well as drop pollen for you to collect. So reversing two different strains, in two separate areas, will give you seeds of each strain. If you want to then pollinate strain a with strain b. You need to collect pollen of strain a and apply it to strain b with brush/qtip. Meaning, manually apply it to one of the plants you planned on bringing into the breeding tent. If you actually bring plants into your breeding tent with two different reversed plants when pollen is dropping, and leave them in there, you won't know what pollen got on which plant.

 

[Slimpikens]

You're right, I completely worded that incorrectly. In order to only deal with 1 type of pollen and to give myself better odds of reversal, I reverse 2 of the same strain seeds. Then about a month later I start one plant of the same strain and one plant of the strain I want to cross. Then I can keep everything in the same breeding tent without worrying about cross pollination. Does that sound correct? And since the reversed plant will also self pollinate are those seeds viable or will they be prone to herm characteristics? Should 1 only harvest seeds from the 2 plants that weren't self pollinated? Here's some pics of the 2 grow tent set ups I was thinking.. Thanks for the patience!

 

[Slimpikens]

You're right, I completely worded that incorrectly. In order to only deal with 1 type of pollen and to give myself better odds of reversal, I reverse 2 of the same strain seeds. Then about a month later I start one plant of the same strain and one plant of the strain I want to cross. Then I can keep everything in the same breeding tent without worrying about cross pollination. Does that sound correct? And since the reversed plant will also self pollinate are those seeds viable or will they be prone to herm characteristics? Should 1 only harvest seeds from the 2 plants that weren't self pollinated? Here's some pics of the 2 grow tent set ups I was thinking.. Thanks for the patience!View attachment 992015 View attachment 992016

So as to avoid any confusion the 2 2.2 gallon pots in the flower room are only being used for soil storage and won't be used in the actual growing process. Only the 2 5 gallon smart pots will be used for flower production.

 

[Proph]

You're right, I completely worded that incorrectly. In order to only deal with 1 type of pollen and to give myself better odds of reversal, I reverse 2 of the same strain seeds. Then about a month later I start one plant of the same strain and one plant of the strain I want to cross. Then I can keep everything in the same breeding tent without worrying about cross pollination. Does that sound correct? And since the reversed plant will also self pollinate are those seeds viable or will they be prone to herm characteristics? Should 1 only harvest seeds from the 2 plants that weren't self pollinated? Here's some pics of the 2 grow tent set ups I was thinking.. Thanks for the patience!View attachment 992015 View attachment 992016

Ahhhhh! Okay! Got it! This plan makes complete sense to me know and I fully support it, lol. Reversing plants and herm plants are two entirely different things. They are not related in anyway. The seeds made in the reversed plant will be what they call S1s (instead of F1s), the S stands for "selfed". those seeds will contain only the genetics of the reversed plant. When you apply that pollen to another plant of the same strain, (like you plan to do) those seeds will be a mix of genetics from the reversed plant and the pollinated plant. This is where "breeding" comes into play. A lot of people breed for certain traits( structure, smell, color, frost, ect.) And try to retain or improve on those traits. But if you're just doing a seed run for fun, the trait stuff doesn't matter.

 

[Slimpikens]

Ahhhhh! Okay! Got it! This plan makes complete sense to me know and I fully support it, lol. Reversing plants and herm plants are two entirely different things. They are not related in anyway. The seeds made in the reversed plant will be what they call S1s (instead of F1s), the S stands for "selfed". those seeds will contain only the genetics of the reversed plant. When you apply that pollen to another plant of the same strain, (like you plan to do) those seeds will be a mix of genetics from the reversed plant and the pollinated plant. This is where "breeding" comes into play. A lot of people breed for certain traits( structure, smell, color, frost, ect.) And try to retain or improve on those traits. But if you're just doing a seed run for fun, the trait stuff doesn't matter.

Perfect, thanks for the explanation! Should be easier to explain what I'm wanting to do in the future now that I know that s1 and f1 designation. We'll, this gives me something to think about for my next grow. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain that. Cheers!