Mañ'O'Green and GreenLeaf 2 part for Autos

[DCLXVI]

Ooh I have a question! Two actually:

I know you had mentioned using ascorbic acid for chloramine removal. How much do you need to add to say a gallon?

I've been dosing my tap water by pH drop. It's 7.8ph to start and I've been stirring in ascorbic acid powder until the pH drops to 6.0-ish. extremely unscientific but it only takes a pinch or two. Then I let it sit out for 24hrs minimum. Typically less than a gram.

Second: Since I try to follow every cannabis breathed word of yours, I ordered some RAW humic and kelp. How much should I mix up? Water in or apply foliar?

Thanks!

 

[jdm61]

Another question. Do you find that the two part megacrop doesn’t dissolve totally like the old one part?

 

[Mañ'O'Green]

Ooh I have a question! Two actually:

I know you had mentioned using ascorbic acid for chloramine removal. How much do you need to add to say a gallon?

I've been dosing my tap water by pH drop. It's 7.8ph to start and I've been stirring in ascorbic acid powder until the pH drops to 6.0-ish. extremely unscientific but it only takes a pinch or two. Then I let it sit out for 24hrs minimum. Typically less than a gram.

Second: Since I try to follow every cannabis breathed word of yours, I ordered some RAW humic and kelp. How much should I mix up? Water in or apply foliar?



Thanks!

You are looking for ascorbic acid - vitamin C. The store brand is usually the cheapest without other stuff added in. 50mg per gallon will treat water with 3.8 PPM of chloramines. This is the typical range in most water systems that use it.

Another question. Do you find that the two part megacrop doesn’t dissolve totally like the old one part?

I dissolve Part A in a cup of warm water, then I dissolve Part B in a cup of warm water, stirring with a spoon. I add part a to the reservoir first, wait while the pump stirs it. Then I add any Epsom Salt I may be using wait while the pump stirs it. Then add part b. They work perfectly that way.

 

[DCLXVI]

Ah thanks! I knew that line was on a chart somewhere.

 

[BII]

I cut my tap water 50/50 with gallon jugs of distilled water from the store. It helps a lot to bring down the ppm count especially when mixing nutes. I can't count on rain water and I'm not quite invested enough to buy an RO system. Are you US based? The Big Berkey filtration system is on my radar especially since it can filter out chloramines. It's a stand alone gravity fed system so no plumbing and inconspicuous since it's for "drinking" water. Guess it really depends on budget and how much water you need but, we shouldn't clutter up Man O's serous thread any further.

I looked and the Big Berkey does not have a RO filter, does not remove sodium, calcium, other salts. RO or other very low salts/ppm/EC water is what you want.

I don't see why chloramines are a major factor in selecting a filtration system for your plant feed water. Why/how would traces of chloramines, chlorine, fluoride...whatever in drinking water, tested/regulated as safe for long-term human consumption, ever adversely affect our plants? Aren't chloramines only a long-term human health hazard, such as associated with carcinogenicity; not associated with accumulation in plants or plant toxicity, particularly at drinking water levels? I seriously doubt that plants will have any negative responses, neither take up nor build up levels of chloramines in their buds.

 

[Mañ'O'Green]

I looked and the Big Berkey does not have a RO filter, does not remove sodium, calcium, other salts. RO or other very low salts/ppm/EC water is what you want.

I don't see why chloramines are a major factor in selecting a filtration system for your plant feed water. Why/how would traces of chloramines, chlorine, fluoride...whatever in drinking water, tested/regulated as safe for long-term human consumption, ever adversely affect our plants? Aren't chloramines only a long-term human health hazard, such as associated with carcinogenicity; not associated with accumulation in plants or plant toxicity, particularly at drinking water levels? I seriously doubt that plants will have any negative responses, neither take up nor build up levels of chloramines in their buds.

Chloramines clog the pores of the membrane filter in an RO system $$$. Chloramines effectively kill root biome microbes in hydroponics. They are only a minor concern in soil but why allow them when it is such an easy fix!

 

[BII]

I could be wrong, but with most desktop multi-stage filtration systems (and also based on chemistry) an activated charcoal filter and sometimes a microbial filter come before the RO filter. I would presume the charcoal filter removes chloramines. Otherwise, wouldn't it simply be common, required, for all these filtration systems to have prominent warnings that they can't be used with chloramine-disinfected drinking water?

 

[Mañ'O'Green]

I could be wrong, but with most desktop multi-stage filtration systems (and also based on chemistry) an activated charcoal filter and sometimes a microbial filter come before the RO filter. I would presume the charcoal filter removes chloramines. Otherwise, wouldn't it simply be common, required, for all these filtration systems to have prominent warnings that they can't be used with chloramine-disinfected drinking water?

It is in the fine print. Oh they work. It just reduces the life of the membrane. Do you think they make more money selling membrane filters faster? I run 3 carbon filters in front of my membrane. I already had one on the garden inlet and the RO system came with 2.

 

[DCLXVI]

I looked and the Big Berkey does not have a RO filter, does not remove sodium, calcium, other salts. RO or other very low salts/ppm/EC water is what you want.

I don't see why chloramines are a major factor in selecting a filtration system for your plant feed water. Why/how would traces of chloramines, chlorine, fluoride...whatever in drinking water, tested/regulated as safe for long-term human consumption, ever adversely affect our plants? Aren't chloramines only a long-term human health hazard, such as associated with carcinogenicity; not associated with accumulation in plants or plant toxicity, particularly at drinking water levels? I seriously doubt that plants will have any negative responses, neither take up nor build up levels of chloramines in their buds.

Valid points all around. I've been using mykos and miicrobial mass products. While not an organic soil or hydro setup, I've been trying to do what I can to make my water better shy of any plumbing work. I don't expect chloramine buildup in buds, just detriment to the soil biome. I also have an immune compromised person living with us so a small thing they requested. Sort of two in one for me. I appreciate the questioning. Better research and focus as a result.

 

[Mañ'O'Green]

I was reading the instructions for the ION meters last night until my eyes got blurry. The operation is fairly straight forward with two set-point solutions to calibrate them. I think the real challenge will be to take consistent samples in both size and dilution rate.

The sampling of the plant sap is done by pressing the juice with a garlic press out of the petiole (stem) of a mature leaf. I don't know how many leaves will be required yet. I am hoping 2 from each plant (12) will be enough as I really do not believe in defoliating plants. I am sure I can do it in the name of science.

I need to purchase meters for magnesium and phosphorous. I waiting to hear back from Horiba about which meters to acquire. I will not be able to determine the sulfur content as that requires lab procedures I am not willing to do.

Then the next thing will be to figure out how to arrange the data. There must be some industry standards I need to adhere to.

The first thing I want to do is verify the PPM calculations I have worked out mathematically in a spreadsheet with meter readings. My garden is responding very well to the calculations so far.This is the transition week formula for 10 gallons of 80 PPM starting water. Once I verify the accuracy of my calculations I will share the spreadsheet. I hope to work out a spreadsheet for the most popular brands of nutrients.

This is what the plants looked like this morning - stretching like crazy.............