Killed the micro herd?

This made me wonder, since I ordered "concentrated" ewc tea from Amazon I'm assuming the micros are dead correct? And if so is it just basically worm water now or will it still benefit the plants when used as foliar or drench?
 
This made me wonder, since I ordered "concentrated" ewc tea from Amazon I'm assuming the micros are dead correct? And if so is it just basically worm water now or will it still benefit the plants when used as foliar or drench?
I am not familiar with that kind of product... anybody else know anything? :peace:
 
Mycos are dormant in any application you buy them in, whether it be powdered or liquid you have to inoculate some how. ProMix mycos are dormant until watered..root drenches like Kangaroots, Voodoo Juice, etc etc are all dormant mycos.. they're not alive and feasting in the bottle or they wouldn't last up to two years so yes, they're dormant in that tea application but they will come to life and feast when they get mixed in (do NOT mix the tea with any synthetic nutrients, it should be fed on it's own - the same as root drenches..

This isn't my knowledge from an organic standpoint as much as it is a fertilizer standpoint. I have a great deal of experience with different fertilizers, their organic and/or chemical make-up and the studies behind the ingredients of most mass marketed fertilizers... why? Trying to find a way to save a buck, that's why. :thumbs:
 
LOL, so X sent me a PM - he asked me "Do you realize microbes and mycorrhizae are two different things - micro herd being the bacteria and myco being the fungus", in which case - yes I do.. did I think the post was about mycorrhizal applications, yes.. but.. my post remains true. The bacteria genes (bacillus, streptomyces, azotobacter, etc etc) all remain dormant the same as Mycorrhizal and Trichoderma applications. The bacteria are suspended in concentrated root drenches (usually in an amount of over 250+ million per bottle in fact) as well as the fungal spores from the trichoderma and mycorrhizal applications I was speaking of..

So, the major question is - what brand of concentrated tea are you using? For example, Humbolt County's Own Killer Tea has suspended baccillus and strepto strains in their tea. If they didn't, it'd smell pretty damn bad.. Bio-Tea has a wider array of bacteria suspended in it.. So, what brand is it?

I learned today when folks refer to the "herd" they're referring to the bacteria strictly, not both the bacteria and fungus.. which I always did, just clumping it all together. I assumed this was the case since they're both little armies of living organisms.

I have got to stay away from this forum, I give X so much more work to do.. :lol:
 
so heres another leve4l for you:

Bacteria do the job of "minerlization" where they break down soil colloids to acceptable sizes / forms for the plant to absorb. the plant sends sugars down to the root suytem to feed the bacteria and fungi and they send nutrients back in return. the fungi have many different functions... but their basic operation is that of complete digestion. they break down material till it can no longer be digested. they asl are about 40% fat... the plants need the fat for health and immunity and proper nutrition. they need amino acids and complex compounds just like us. the bacteria and fungi help provide these (in healthy soils). this is how truly healthy plants resist disease (they are able to form stronger pectins on their leaf surface and resist fungus and other compounds which try to break down their cell tissue to get access.

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I think the word tea is being used incorrectly here.. I believe that concentrate is actually a "compost extract" more so than a AACT - when I hear tea, I think of AACT's first and foremost.. but I understand the horticultural market is changing and that the term makes it easier to sell..

"Aerated active compost tea" is made in 24-48 hours from a small to moderate amount of compost in water with added things like molasses, alfalfa meal, etc... and of course, lots and lots of added air during the process to grow "aerobic" microbes. A constant air pump running to pump up the microbes and increase their population. This stuff needs to be aerated until you apply it or the microbes will die or go dormant without oxygen. I've read in excess of 3 hours without oxygen is the maximum use of this product. At best, a non-aerated "ACT" will be much less beneficial than one kept oxygenated until application. With actively aerated compost tea, you (the end user) are taking compost and putting it into water (with aeration) and adding food/nutrients for the biology in the compost. When made properly, your end product will contain a wide variety of beneficial bacteria, fungi, and protozoa. The organisms are active at the time of application, however, you don't the specific species you're applying. It's a shotgun approach.

"Compost extract" (instant compost tea, or compost tea concentrate, etc etc - the bottled stuff) is made from a much larger quantity of compost mixed well in water to extract microbes and nutrients. This stuff can be stored effectively since the microbes aren't mostly active and therefore doesn't demand oxygen. Much of the benefit seen is also from minerals and other ingredients in the solution, not the active bacteria and fungi that the aerated version provides. With instant compost tea, the manufacturer is extracting and replicating a very specific group of organisms and putting them in a dormant state until ready for application. Truthfully, these concentrated teas and tea extracts don't serve much purpose as a foliar spray - because the bacteria will more than likely die. These products are better in the root zone. This is from Compost Tea Brewing Manual, 5th edition, by Dr. Elaine Ingham

"Thus, teas that have been "put to sleep" are better for soil applications, because the organisms have time to wake up before they start to function, whereas on leaves, the organisms must be immediately active to protect the leaf surface."

If you're able to brew an AACT then that my friend is what you want to do, you can add the Wiggley's to it for some good results, but ideally - you'll get a broader range of microorganisms than if you use the compost extract (which is what that is, it's not a tea, it's an extract) than if you were to use it the way it says to apply it.

I have several great books for TLO and organics in PDF form, I need to find out the rules of posting them here..

jm. :thumbs:
 
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Damn thank you for that that's awesome!:thumbs: Yea that was the only reason I bought the stuff was because I can't make it though I was looking into buying a pump just wasn't sure which one to get. And if you put those PDFs on here I'd definitely download them that'd be awesome or at least gimme a link:thumbs: Thanks again man that cleared a lot of stuff up for me
 
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