IS THE AUTO GENE RECESSIVE TO THE PHOTO GENE

[harvestreaper]

dominants can become reccisives and vice verca depending on enviroment ,,, what is dominant is just a moment in time,

 

[infamousralphster]

I understand what your saying. Its true that environmental conditions can lead to a loss of overall genetic variability, only the strong survive, but those same conditions weed out weak genes, ensuring that only the offspring of the strongest survive. That's how natural selection works. If you had an island full of white tigers, then one would be correct in stating that the dominant color gene for the population of tigers on the island, is white. The orange gene may be dominant genetically, but if a dominant gene does not exist in a population, then it is not dominant. The gene for having six fingers is dominant in humans, that is a well known fact, how many fingers do you have?

Lets say you dropped a population of cannabis plants, (containing both photos and autos) into an extreme environment, say Alaska, and just let them be. If the seeds sprouted at the right time of the year and it was an early blooming enough strain to finish in time, then the photo plants might have a chance, but the autos would definitely finish in time to drop seed, more importantly, pollen would be swapped and open pollination hybrids would be created. Now consider the F1 generation of these hybrids, 75% of them would not autoflower, but in the case of a cold spring or fall, they would also not drop seeds and thus they would not contribute to the next generations genetics, but the autos would thrive, completing multiple lifecycles in a single season. Photo plants would occasionally pop up still because the gene is dominant after all, but much like the six fingered men that ought to be running wild somewhere, they would be freaks, and due to unfortunate environmental factors, they would have a very hard time passing on their freakishness. One can see that it would only take a few years of adverse condition to completely remove the dominant photo gene from a given population, it would not make the photo gene recessive, but it would be fair to say that the population in question is dominantly auto.

I am sorry but environment was not the question. Just because a gene is more suited for an environment does not make it a dominant gene. A dominant gene by nature is a gene that shows its characteristics while at the same time masking another gene's charicteristics when both genes are present. Thank you for participating in the conversation but please try to stick to the main topic. Lets help our fellow brothers and sisters on thier quest for knowledge not look for exceptions and argue back and forth about hypothetical situations.

 

[GnomeGrown]

The gene for having six fingers is dominant in humans, that is a well known fact, how many fingers do you have?

I have 10. Counting thumbs.

 

[Kalianepic]

Lets help our fellow brothers and sisters on thier quest for knowledge not look for exceptions and argue back and forth about hypothetical situations.

You were on the right track to begin with. The photo gene is dominant, that question was answered in the second post.
Lets move on shall we?
I made the point that conditions frequently exist that render the terms "recessive" or "dominant" almost useless, if one wishes to argue this, then you need only to observe nature.
This information is also quite relevant, and thus, is sure to be helpful to my fellow brothers and sisters on their path to knowledge.
Consider yourself enlightened.

 

[infamousralphster]

im just gonna have to agree to disagree.

 

[agito]

Im no expert but its been said the lr1 will have more af young than say for example an lr2 cross

 

[tuone]

Yeah Auto is Recessive as much as blonde is compare to black hair, so in 2-3 generations you will have recessive statistics, none of f1 hybrids on auto, 25 of f2, and 100 of f2 x f2 auto crosses. a single gene can only be dom or recessive cos it's multiple gene systems that become complex recessive.

flowering is probably also some complex genes,like you can get blonde and also mousey blonde and dark blonde.you get a mix of differ photo flowering patterns... auto's are already reaching 1 meter tall, but they all flower in the 3rd internode, just some seem to still veg a while after? eventually the makeup of the plant may shift and we may get autos that slowly switch on the auto gene when they are at the 5th/6th internode etc, and have more mixed veg, flowering cycles, and are totally photoindependant, will see.

for the moment you can expect most f1's to photo and f2's to 25 percent auto


yeah i found also that kali was not being very clear with his 1st answer, as it's a science question and he sais some of his f1 hybrids didnt auto, which shows he didnt understand the question, or recessivity.

 

[MrMcbud]

i love reading a thread that answers my questions exactly and shows me i have A LOT to learn about genetics.
Thanks All
But on the enviromental point.
i understand genotype to be genetic influence/predisposition and phenotype being genotype + enviroment.
Is it possible,for example to encourage auto trait pheno's by providing low light conditions?
or is it purely genetic as tstated in the last post

 

[tuone]

If you encouraged an automatic to flower sooner by putting it on short light, it would slow it's growth, but it would be like putting blonde hair dye on a blonde girl's head, it's already flowering very vigourously in full light conditions.

Although you may find that they take 5 months to reach maturity, rather than 3 months, like under shady tree cover with little sun they take 5 months so slower growth compared to full sun.

 

[MrMcbud]

If you encouraged an automatic to flower sooner by putting it on short light, it would slow it's growth, but it would be like putting blonde hair dye on a blonde girl's head, it's already flowering very vigourously in full light conditions.

Although you may find that they take 5 months to reach maturity, rather than 3 months, like under shady tree cover with little sun they take 5 months so slower growth compared to full sun.

Undertstandable,Sorry,let me rephrase.
I have kinda answered myself but will post for the sake of clarity.

If I take an F1 from an auto x auto cross.(AKR x AKR or AKR X 60 day)
genetically predefined to not autoflower due to breeding 2 ressesive auto plants.
Could i alter enviromental conditions to encourage certain "ressesive" traits to be prevolent in the F1 pheno's(being that geno+enviro=pheno)
If so,would said enviromental effects be carried over to F2