HashyApache's Kind Green North

well this one is a pretty good read. I too couldnt D/L the PDF. i did some time back.ill poke around and see if I can find it. not sure though,LOL! but this one is large but tons of info in the first half of the paper.

Phosphate Solubilization: Their Mechanism Genetics And Application
N Ahmed, S Shahab
Citation
N Ahmed, S Shahab. Phosphate Solubilization: Their Mechanism Genetics And Application. The Internet Journal of Microbiology. 2009 Volume 9 Number 1.
Abstract
The global necessity to increase agricultural production from a steadily decreasing and degrading land resource base has placed considerable strain on agro ecosystems (Tilak, 2005). Current strategy is to maintain and improve agricultural productivity exclusively via the use of chemical fertilizers. Although the use of chemical fertilizers is credited with nearly fifty percent increase in agricultural production but they are closely associated with environmental pollution and health hazards (Gaur and Gaind, 1999). Many synthetic fertilizers contain acids, such as sulfuric acid and hydrochloric acid, which tend to increase the acidity of the soil, reduce the soil's beneficial organism population and interfere with plant growth. Generally, healthy soil contains enough nitrogen-fixing bacteria to fix sufficient atmospheric nitrogen to supply the needs of growing plants. However, continued use of chemical fertilizers may destroy these nitrogen-fixing bacteria. Furthermore, chemical fertilizers may affect plant health. For example, citrus trees tend to yield fruits that are lower in vitamin C when treated with synthetic fertilizer. Lack of trace elements in soil regularly dosed with chemical fertilizers is not uncommon. This lack of vital micronutrients can generally be attributed to the use of chemical fertilizers. On the other hand Biofertilizer adds nutrients to soil.Environmentally friendly biotechnological approaches offer alternatives to chemical fertilizers (Dobbelaere et al., 2003). Given the negative environmental impacts of chemical fertilizers and their increasing costs, the use of PGPB is thus being considered as an alternative or a supplemental way of reducing the use of chemicals in agriculture (De Weger et al., 1995; Gerhardson, 2002, Postma, et al., 2003; Welbaum, 2004)

Introduction
The global necessity to increase agricultural production from a steadily decreasing and degrading land resource base has placed considerable strain on agro ecosystems (Tilak, 2005). Current strategy is to maintain and improve agricultural productivity exclusively via the use of chemical fertilizers. Although the use of chemical fertilizers is credited with nearly fifty percent increase in agricultural production but they are closely associated with environmental pollution and health hazards (Gaur and Gaind, 1999). Many synthetic fertilizers contain acids, such as sulfuric acid and hydrochloric acid, which tend to increase the acidity of the soil, reduce the soil's beneficial organism population and interfere with plant growth. Generally, healthy soil contains enough nitrogen-fixing bacteria to fix sufficient atmospheric nitrogen to supply the needs of growing plants. However, continued use of chemical fertilizers may destroy these nitrogen-fixing bacteria. Furthermore, chemical fertilizers may affect plant health. For example, citrus trees tend to yield fruits that are lower in vitamin C when treated with synthetic fertilizer. Lack of trace elements in soil regularly dosed with chemical fertilizers is not uncommon. This lack of vital micronutrients can generally be attributed to the use of chemical fertilizers. On the other hand Biofertilizer adds nutrients to soil.
Environmentally friendly biotechnological approaches offer alternatives to chemical fertilizers (Dobbelaere et al., 2003). Given the negative environmental impacts of chemical fertilizers and their increasing costs, the use of PGPB is thus being considered as an alternative or a supplemental way of reducing the use of chemicals in agriculture (De Weger et al., 1995; Gerhardson, 2002, Postma, et al., 2003; Welbaum, 2004)
It has been estimated that in some soil up to 75% of applied phosphate fertilizer may become unavailable to the plant because of mineral phase reprecipitation (Goldstein, 1986; Sundara et al., 2002). Phosphate-solubilizing bacteria (PSB) are able to convert insoluble phosphates into soluble forms (Illmer and Schinner, 1995; Hilda et al., 2000ab; Peix et al., 2001 ab; Viverk and Singh, 2001; Sudhakara et al., 2002) and have therefore been used to enhance the solubilization of reprecipitated soil P for crop improvement (Shekhar et al., 2000; Young et al., 1986; Young, 1990).
Phoshate Availability in Soil
Phosphorus (P) is one of the major essential macronutrients for biological growth and development (Ehrlich, 1990). It is present at levels of 400–1200 mg/kg of soil (Fernandez, 1988). The concentration of soluble P in soil is usually very low, normally at levels of 1 ppm or less then 1ppm (Goldstein, 1994). The cell might take up several P forms but the greatest part is absorbed in the forms of Phosphate (Beever and Burns, 1980).
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Figure 1: Phosphate cycle (

Mineral forms of phosphorus are represented in soil by primary minerals, such as apatite, hydroxyapatite, and oxyapatite. They are found as part of the stratum rock and their principal characteristic is their insolubility. In spite of that, they constitute the biggest reservoirs of this element in soil because, under appropriate conditions, they can be solubilized and become available for plants and microorganisms. Mineral phosphate can be also found associated with the surface of hydrated oxides of Fe, Al, and Mn, which are poorly soluble and assimilable. This is characteristic of ferralitic soils, in which hydration and accumulation of hydrated oxides and hydroxides of Fe takes place, producing an increase of phosphorus fixation capacity (Fernandez, 1988).
There are two components of P in soil, organic and inorganic phosphates. A large proportion is present in insoluble forms, and therefore, not available for plant nutrition. Inorganic P occurs in soil, mostly in insoluble mineral complexes, some of these appearing after the application of chemical fertilizers. These precipitated forms cannot be absorbed by plants. Organic matter, on the other hand, is an important reservoir of immobilized P that accounts for 20–80% of soil P (Richardson, 1994).
Organic Phosphate
A second major component of soil P is organic matter. Organic forms of P may constitute 30–50% of the total phosphorus in most soils, although it may range from as low as 5% to as high as 95% (Paul and Clark, 1988). Organic P in soil is largely in the form of inositol phosphate (soil phytate). It is synthesized by microorganisms and plants and is the most stable of the organic forms of phosphorus in soil, accounting for up to 50% of the total organic P (Dalal, 1977; Anderson 1980; Harley and Smith, 1983). Other organic P compounds in soil are in the form of phosphomonoesters, phosphodiesters including phospholipids and nucleic acids, and phosphotriesters.Of the total organic phosphorus in soil, only approximately 1% can be identified as nucleic acids or their derivatives (Paul and Clark, 1988). Various studies have shown that only approximately 1–5 ppm of phospholipids phosphorus occurs in soil, although values as high as 34 ppm have been detected (Paul and Clark, 1988). Large quantities of xenobiotic phosphonates, which are used as pesticides, detergent additives, antibiotics, and flame retardants, are released into the environment. These C-P compounds are generally resistant to chemical hydrolysis and biodegradation, but several reports have documented microbial P release from these sources (Ohtake, 1996; McGrath, 1998).
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Figure 2: Figure showing complexity of average soil

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Organic Phosphate Solubilization
Organic phosphate solubilization is also called mineralization of organic phosphorus, and it occurs in soil at the expense of plant and animal remains, which contain a large amount of organic phosphorus compounds. The decomposition of organic matter in soil is carried out by the action of numerous saprophytes, which produce the release of radical orthophosphate from the carbon structure of the molecule. The organophosphonates can equally suffer a process of mineralization when they are victims of biodegradation (McGrath, 1995). The microbial mineralization of organic phosphorus is strongly influenced by environmental parameters; in fact, moderate alkalinity favors the mineralization of organic phosphorus (Paul and Clark, 1988) The degradability of organic phosphorous compounds depend mainly on the physicochemical and biochemical properties of their molecules, e.g. nucleic acids, phospholipids, and sugar phosphates are easily broken down, but phytic acid, polyphosphates, and phosphonates are decomposed more slowly (Ohtake, 1996; McGrath, 1995; McGrath 1998).
Phosphorus can be released from organic compounds in soil by three groups of enzymes:
Nonspecific phosphatases, which perform dephosphorylation of phospho-ester or phosphoanhydride bonds in organic matter
Phytases, which specifically cause P release from phytic acid
Phosphonatases and C–P Lyases, enzymes that perform C–P cleavage in organophosphonates
The main activity apparently corresponds to the work of acid phosphatases and phytases because of the predominant presence of their substrates in soil.
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Figure 3: Mineralization of organic compounds within soil

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Inorganic Phosphate Mineralization
Several reports have suggested the ability of different bacterial species to solubilize insoluble inorganic phosphate compounds, such as tricalcium phosphate, dicalcium phosphate, hydroxyapatite, and rock phosphate (Goldstein, 1986). In two thirds of all arable soils, the pH is above 7.0, so that most mineral P is in the form of poorly soluble calcium phosphates (CaPs). Microorganisms must assimilate P via membrane transport, so dissolution of CaPs to Pi (H2PO4) is considered essential to the global P cycle. Evaluation of samples from soils throughout the world has shown that, in general, the direct oxidation pathway provides the biochemical basis for highly efficacious phosphate solubilization in Gram-negative bacteria via diffusion of the strong organic acids produced in the periplasm into the adjacent environment. Therefore, the quinoprotein glucose dehydrogenase (PQQGDH) may play a key role in the nutritional ecophysiology of soil bacteria. MPS bacteria may be used for industrial bioprocessing of rock phosphate ore (a substituted fluroapatite) or even for direct inoculation of soils as a ‘biofertilizer’ analogous to nitrogen-fixing bacteria. Both the agronomic and ecological aspects of the direct oxidation mediated MPS trait. (Gold stein et al., 2003)
Among the bacterial genera with this capacity are Pseudomonas, Bacillus, Rhizobium, Burkholderia, Achromobacter, Agrobacterium, Microccocus, Aereobacter, Flavobacterium and Erwinia (Babu-khan et al 1995; Goldstein, 1987; Sperber 1958; Rodríguez and Fraga, 1999).
Mechanism of Phosphate Solubilization
A number of theories have been proposed to explain the mechanism of phosphate solubilization. Important among them are:
Acid production theory
Proton and enzyme theory
Acid Production Theory
According to this theory, the process of phosphate solubilization by PSM is due to the production of organic acids which is accompanied by the acidification of the medium (Puente et al., 2004). A decrease in the pH of the filtrate from the initial value of 7.0 to a final value of 2.0 was recorded by many workers (Gaur and Sachar 1980; Gaind and Gaur 1990, 1991; Illmer and Schinner, 1992). The analysis of culture filtrates of PSMs has shown the presence of number of organic acids such as malic, glyoxalic, succinic, fumaric, tartaric, alpha keto butyric, oxalic, citric, 2-ketogluconic and gluconic acid (Lapeyrie et al., 1991; Cuningham and kuaick, 1992; Ilmer and schiner, 1995; Fasim et al., 2002, Gadd 1997; Kim et al., 1997)
The amount and type of the organic acid produced varied with the microorganism. The organic acids released in the culture filtrates react with the insoluble phosphate. The amount of soluble phosphate released depends on the strength and type of acid. Aliphatic acids are found to be more effective in P solubilization then phenolic acids and citric acids. Fumaric acid has highest P solubilizing ability. Tribasic and dibasic acids are also more effective than monobasic acids. In the presence of tribasic acids and dibasic acids, a secondary effect appears due to ability of these acids to form unionized association compounds with calcium thereby removing calcium from the solution and increasing soluble phosphate concentration (Gaur and Gaind,1999).
Organic acids contribute to the lowering of solution pH as they dissociate in a pH dependent equilibrium, into their respective anion(s) and proton(s). Organic acids buffer solution pH and will continue to dissociate as protons are consumed by the dissolution reaction (Welch et al., 2002). Similarly, microorganisms often export organic acids as anions (Duro and Serrano 1981, Konings 1985, Netik et al., 1997).
Besides organic acids, inorganic acids such as nitric and sulphuric acids are also produced by the nitrifying bacteria and thiobacillus during the oxidation of nitrogenous or inorganic compounds of sulphur which react with calcium phosphate and convert them into soluble forms (Gaur and Gaind, 1999).
The most efficient mineral phosphate solubilization (MPS) phenotype in Gram negative bacteria results from extracellular oxidation of glucose via the quinoprotein glucose dehydrogenase to gluconic acid (Kpomblekou and Tabatabai, 1994; Hilda and Fraga, 1999; Hilda et al., 2000). The resulting pH change and reduction potential are thought to be responsible for the dissolution of phosphate in the culture medium.
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Figure 4: Production of gluconic acid via the alternative extracellular oxidation pathway of glucose metabolism.

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Gluconic acid biosynthesis is carried out by the glucose dehydrogenase (GDH) enzyme and the co-factor, pyrroloquinoline quinone (PQQ). Goldstein and Liu (1987) cloned a gene from Erwinia herbicola that is involved in mineral phosphate solubilization. The expression of this gene allowed production of gluconic acid and mineral phosphate solubilization activity in E.coli HB101.
Gluconic acid is the principal organic acid produced by Pseudomonas sp. (Illmer and Schinner, 1992), Erwinia herbicola (Liu et al., 1992) Pseudomonas cepacia (Goldstein et al., 1994) and Burkholderia cepacia (Rodríguez and Fraga 1999) Rhizobium leguminosarum (Halder et al., 1990) Rhizobium meliloti (Halder and Chakrabartty, 1993) and Bacillus firmus (Banik and Dey, 1982) produce noticeable amounts of 2-ketogluconic acid. Fasim et al., (2002) have reported bacterial solubilization of insoluble zinc oxide and zinc phosphate, mediated by the production of gluconic and 2-ketogluconic acid. Other organic acids, such as lactic, isovaleric, isobutyric, acetic, glycolic, oxalic, malonic and succinic acids are also generated by different phosphate solubilizing bacteria (Rodríguez and Fraga 1999).
Goebel and Krieg (1984) showed that gluconic acid was not formed during growth of either A. brasilense or A. lipoferum on fructose (a common carbon source for both), and was detected only during growth of glucose. Rodríguez (2004) reported that A. brasilense can produce gluconic acid in vitro when grown on fructose and amended with glucose as an inducer for gluconic acid production and have in vitro phosphate solubilizing capability.
Glucose is the precursor for synthesis of gluconic acid (Rodrigues etal 2004). This has suggested that Phosphate solubilization in these strains is mediated by glucose or gluconic acid metabolism. As solubilization of phosphate preceded detection of gluconic acid in the medium, perhaps even low levels of the acid (below the detection level of HPLC) started to dissolve the sparingly soluble phosphate. Alternatively, consumption of gluconic acid by growing cells could also take place. In A. brasilense, reduction in the quantity of soluble phosphate after incubation for 48 h can be explained as auto consumption of soluble phosphate by the growing bacterial population (Rodriguez et al., 2000).
The latter may result from production of gluconic acid and NH4 + uptake, which may release protons to the medium. In the faster growing A. brasilense strains, perhaps the cells used more NO-3 at the end of the incubation time, thereby releasing OH-, which may account for the higher pH after 48 h. The metabolic mechanism by which gluconic acid was produced was not explored (Rodríguez et al., 2004)
The P-solubilizing capability of gluconic acid was much higher as compared to 2-keto-gluconic acid in the filtrate from strain CC-Al74 culture. The process of acidification and chelation by gluconic acid and 2-keto gluconic acid dissolved tri calcium phosphate (TCP) in cultural medium. The chelation property of gluconic acid enables it to form insoluble complex. Insoluble metal forms may be solubilized by protons, with Ca++ liberating phosphates (Kpomblekou and Tabatabai, 1994; Reyes et al., 1999; Shekhar et al., 2000).
Protons can be pumped into the external medium by various membrane associated pumps which set up ionic gradients for the acquisition of nutrients (Jones and Gadd, 1990; Sigler, and Hofer, 1991; Gadd, 1993). In addition, protons arise from produced organic acids which also possess an organic acid anion which is usually capable of forming a complex with metal cation (Burgstaller,. and Schinner, 1993; Hughes and Poole, 1991).
The production of citric or gluconic acid and the extrusion of H+ result from membrane transport mechanisms was described as possible mechanism for dissolving rock-phosphate from hydroxy apatite, iron phosphate, and aluminum phosphate by Penicillium rugulosum (Reyes et al., 1999). These processes are influenced by the sources of the nitrogen, phosphate, and carbon. Citric acid production and the resulting amount of phosphate dissolution are increased if nitrate is the only nitrogen source. Because citric acid is involved not only in the dissolution of phosphate but also in dissolution of iron and other metals from minerals, the process of nitrate accumulation in soils might play an important role for the weathering of rock in general.
The nature and type of acid production is mainly dependent on the carbon source (Reyes et al., 1999). In general, oxalic, citric, and gluconic acid, are strong solubilizing agents of feldspar, biotite, and phyllosilicates, (Torre et al., 1993)
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Table 1: Gluconic acid production by various bacterial strains

Proton and Enzyme Theory
Esterase type enzymes are known to be involved in liberating phosphorus from organic phosphatic compounds. PSMs (phosphate solubilizing microorganisms) are also known to produce phosphatase enzyme along with acids which cause the solubilization of P in aquatic environment (Alghazali et al., 1986). Illmer and Schinner (1995) reported that out of the four efficient phosphates solubilizing microbes, Penicillium aurathiogriseum, Penicilllium simplicissimum, Aspergillus niger and Pseudomonas sp only A .niger could produce orgainic acid. Two most probable explanations for this are:
Solubilization without acid production is due to the release of protons accompanying respiration or ammonium assimilation (Taha et al., 1969; Kucey 1983; Dighton and Boddy 1989; Parks et al., 1990)
More solubilization occurs with ammonium salts than with nitrate salts as the nitrogen source in the media (Gaur and Gaind, 1999).
Besides these two mechanisms the production of chelating substances (Luo et al., 1993) H2S, CO2 (Kapoor et al., 1989) mineral acids, siderophores (Bossier et al., 1988) biologically active substances like indole acetic acids, gibberllines and cytokinins (Kucey et al., 1988) are also correlated with Phosphate solubilization. Chelation involves the formation of two or more coordinate bonds between an anionic or polar molecule and a cation, resulting in a ring structure complex (Whitelaw, 2000). Organic acid anions, with oxygen containing hydroxyl and carboxyl groups, have the ability to form stable complexes with cations such as Ca2+, Fe2+, Fe3+, and Al3+, that are often bound with phosphate in poorly forms (Jones ,1998 ; Kucey 1988)
Dissolution of phosphate in soil is a very important process for plant growth. Several studies have shown that the phosphate uptake by plants can be markedly increased by either mycorrhizal fungi (Azcon-Aguilar et al., 1986) or inoculation of soil with species capable of solubilizing free phosphate, such as P. Bilaii (Cunningham and Kuiack 1992; Uzair et al., 2006).
Phosphate –Plant Interaction
Phosphorus is one of one of the major plant nutrient limiting plant growth. It plays a key role in nutrition of plants as it promotes development of deeper roots. The average soil is rich in phosphorus as it contains about 0.05% (w/w) phosphorus (Barber, 1984) but only one tenth of this is available to plants approximately 95–99% is present in the form of insoluble phosphates and hence cannot be utilized by the plants and due to its poor solubility and chemical fixation in the soil (Gaurand Gaind, 1999) causing a low efficiency of soluble P fertilizers.
To increase the availability of phosphorus for plants, large amounts of fertilizer is used on a regular basis. But after application, a large proportion of fertilizer phosphorus is quickly transferred to the insoluble forms. Therefore, very little percentage of the applied phosphorus is used, making continuous application necessary. (Abd Alla, 1994).
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Figure 5: Soil and root interactions

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Soils microorganisms are involved in a range of processes that affect Phosphate transformation and thus influence the subsequent availability of phosphate to plant roots (Richardson, 2001). Free living phosphate solubilizing microorganisms (PSM) are always present in soils. The populations of inorganic Phosphate solubilizing microorganisms are sometimes very low, less than 102 CFU g-1 of soil as observed in a soil in Northern Spain (Peix et al., 2001). In four Quebec soils the number of root free PSM ranged from 2.5-to 3 x 106 CFU g-1 of soil and they represented from 26- 46% of the total soil microflora (Chabot et al., 1993). As observed with other soil microbes the number of PSM is more important in the rhizosphere than in non rhizosphere soil (Kucey et al., 1989), and the number of phosphate solubilizing bacteria is more important than that of fungi (Kucey, 1983). However, inoculation studies aimed to improving P nutrition in plants involved bacteria and fungi, and is commercially available in Western Canada as the phosphate inoculant Jumpstart (Philom Bios, Saskatoon, Sask.). They are sold for wheat, canola, mustard and other legumes and contain an bacterial strain of Penicillium Bilaii. (http://www.philombios.ca/).
Plant Growth Promoting Bacteria
Although plant growth promoting bacteria occur in soil, usually their numbers are not high enough to compete with other bacteria commonly established in the rhizosphere. Therefore, for agronomic utility, inoculation of plants by target microorganisms at a much higher concentration than those normally found in soil is necessary to take advantage of their beneficial properties for plant yield enhancement. (Igual, 2001)
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Figure 6: Microbial activities in the soil for plant growth promotion.

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In recent years, interest in soil microorganisms that can promote plant growth has been increased considerably. The use of PGPRs to control soil borne pathogens is a practice with a promising future, because the Montreal Protocol (an international treaty to protect the earth from the detrimental effects) proposes the elimination of toxic chemicals. This has forced the plant scientists to look for new alternatives to replace fertilizers. A number of different bacteria have been reported to promote plant growth, including Azotobacter sp., Azospirillum sp., Pseudomonas sp., Acetobacter sp., Burkholderia sp. and Bacillus sp. (Rodrigues and Fraga 1999)



This one i downloaded. Only the asian stuff wasnt working, but i'll have to work me through this one first, anyway.
 
oh ok LOL! well, its a good read. yeah,when I have a few minutes(Im reading stuff atm of course LOL ) ill look about and see if I can find that PDF,I know I got it. just need to find it. its a solid read. maybe someone else got it. but I tried it again and yeah, didnt wanna be co operative at all LOL
 
Hey guys! Sorry for the super late update! Things have been very busy in my world, between harvesting this last grow, gutting the room and starting the next run, I have not had much in the way of free time on my hands, but I just wanted to drop by real quickly, let you know I'm still alive and kicking, and leave a few budshots in my wake!
Since I last logged in I harvested the last of the cheese, that beautiful Purple Daiquiri Lime, the last of the Think Big's and the first Automazar, and they are all now hanging upside down on a clothesline in a dark room with ~55% RH until the stems get a little brittle, and away they go!
The Colorado Cookies is already in Jars, and looks and smells fantastic. That first Automazar has also found her way into the jar, and my god does she look exotic or what?! Smell is pretty average, but bag appeal is top notch. Can't wait to break into her and give her a poke!


Out of the 36 breeder plants I have been raising, only ONE has shown itself as a male, but there are still a couple of plants waiting to show sex., really hoping they are studly guys, because one male out of 36 just doesn't really do it for me.... haha Its so funny really, who else do you know that has been upset by having an almost 100% rate of females in a few packs of reg seeds? Nobody I know, thats for sure..... Anybody out there want a few dozen lil Autos? :shrug:
Was planning on scrapping all of the females, but mehhhhhh I may just have to run a little SOG set up under a thousand watt lamp just for shits and giggles. I've got plenty of space, but not trying to crank up that energy bill more than it already is. We'll see what happens!


For the most part, the Mazar's should be coming down this Sunday or Tuesday, because they are looking quite ripe and heavy, just waiting for the little popcorns buried deep into the plant to ripen up and swell a bit. Continuing to really push water and enzymes on them in hopes of breaking down and flushing out any of the remaining food in the soil system. After I feel that she is sufficiently flushed, she will get two more days under the 10000 k MH bulb until she transpires out most of her water, then she will spend her last 24 hours in a cool dark room, until all of the water transpires out of her and her lower leaves begin to droop, then chop, hang, dry, and off to the jars they go!
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(Don't mind the Cal deficient crunchy leaves at the top of that cola. Ran into some PH problems at around week 5 of flower, and it led to about a week long lock out that really messed up the sugar leaves at the top of the colas, but things quickly returned to normal with little issue)

The Daiquiri Lime's are in much of the same boat as well, but taking slightly longer to mature than her Indica counterparts. Hoping to chop the rest of them by the weekend of the 14th-15th, but only time will tell from here on out.
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The Auto Ultimate and Number One SuperAuto seedlings were off to a slow start (Because the humidity in the room is dialed in for the flowering girls instead of vegetative growth), but they are finally beginning to take to and take off! Cant wait to see where they are in a week!

Sorry to abbreviate things and run and gun on you, but I hope everyone had a great new year. Until Next time my friends!
 
HAY! @HashyApache first let me say those are some great looking plants bro! Do you still grow OD? I too am from the north east US and the weather can be a bitch I try to have everything chopped by October 1st and they go through at least 4 or 5 frosts by then I had to shake snow off some of my plants last fall. But it's all good.

I will be watching here and hope to see some more great grows from you
 
HAY! @HashyApache first let me say those are some great looking plants bro! Do you still grow OD? I too am from the north east US and the weather can be a bitch I try to have everything chopped by October 1st and they go through at least 4 or 5 frosts by then I had to shake snow off some of my plants last fall. But it's all good.

I will be watching here and hope to see some more great grows from you

Thank you so much man! I really appreciate the compliment! Do I still grow OD? To be honest man I only grow indoors as a way of getting myself through the long northern winters until the next outdoor season.... hahaha
Seriously though, I'm all about the outdoor growing. There really is nothing quite like a great strain grown in living soil under the sun. Even in our less than ideal climate, great things can happen outside if you pick the right genetics. As a breeder, it is my end goal to prove this to the Cannabis community. I want to breed stable, sturdy resistant strains fit to grow S+ quality herb outside in even the most undesirable climates.
Thats crazy that you had to deal with snow at the end of your season. Holy crap. hahaha I try to get everything down by the end of September, but I always have a couple Kush strains that go into mid October.... mother nature willing that is. This year I chopped my Biesels on October 15th without a hint of frost damage.... it was certainly a red banner season out this way.

Thank you so much for stopping by and tuning in brothaaaa! I look forward to talking with you more in the future. Be easy my friend!
 
Just a quick update for you all..... (Pictures will be updated later on in the week!)

The earliest finishing phenotype of the Daiquiri Lime (with the black/purple foliage) came down about a week ago and is currently hanging up to dry. The chunkiest AutoMazar was also emergency chopped two days ago upon the discovery of Botrytis in the terminal cola. At the time it was certainly upsetting, but the chunky, rock hard buds of the mazar, coupled with a few damaged leaves from the lock out issues I was having was absolutely the recipe for rot. Just the way she goes my friends. At the end of the day, it wasn't really anything terrible.... an eighth to a quarter lost to botrytis, and I still hope to reap ~100g off of the rest of her. Time will tell!

Other than that one blip, everything seems to be going quite well. The remaining 4 Mazars are really pushing on the weight, and are beginning to completely topple over from the weight of their flowers. I had never run a 10k finishing bulb before, but I have to say I really like what it seems to be doing for my flowers. Only a few days after switching out plants from the sodium's to the 10k and they seem to swell up like balloons and get greasier than a mechanic's hands. While the Mazar's still seem to be loading on that residual weight (and quickly now) they were given their last watering of their lives last night. One gallon of water and enzymes per plant, and over the next four days I am just going to let the plant do its thing and dry up, before I make the chop Saturday night.

Finally beginning to feel really good about the remaining Lime's as well. They have taken forever to flower, and just keep on packing on the pistils, but over the last few days I have noticed the Calyx clusters really begin to swell, and it's about damn time. They are getting FAT! A bit foxtaily, but rock hard. Cant wait to see how these girls come out, and better yet can't wait to sprout the next generation!

Still really struggling with those WWXXL's that seem to not want to go into flowering. Dropped the light cycle down to 14 hours on, and 10 off with no avail. They seem to be popping pistils and getting their poop in a group, and then they just pop out more vegetative growth. Having been well over two months of vegetative growth in, I think it is pretty obvious that they are not going to autoflower, which is a damn shame because I don't really have the space to throw together their own personal tent or room, and since my entire room is full of autoflowers, it would really do more harm than good to switch my entire room to 12/12, especially with the next generation coming up. At this point it seems like the smartest option for me would be to scrap the plants..... which would be terrible. They are absolutely gorgeous, and oh so full, but at this point they are almost already getting too big to flower out, especially if they double in size during the transition stage. At this point I'm looking for ideas or maybe some advice....
Any way somebody could tag Mark from Dinafem, or another one of their reps and see what they have to say? I'm curious to see what they think. Like I said before I have run Dinafem gear for over 5 years now with great success and not a single instance of genetic instability. With the two plants having the same exact temperament, that leads me to believe that it is not genetic instability causing the problems at hand here, but more than likely I'd guess I was actually given photoperiod White Widow's on accident.


The 36 plants that I sprouted in search of pollen donors was pretty much a failure I guess. Out of 36 plants only two of them were males, and unfortunately for me both of them were from the same strain (headlights kush) HOWEVER in good news? Both of those males are excellent candidates for breeding. Both had excellent branching structure, exhibited excellent vigor, long veg times, and upon rubbing the stems, both have an extremely pleasant skunky aroma. Really looking forward to playing around with some headlights crosses outdoors this spring!
What does that mean for me? Even after culling back 10 of the 34 remaining females as being undesirable (Autoflowered too fast, had crappy branching, or a lack of vigor) that left me with 24 ladies in 2L maxi pots already popping flowers.... a far cry from how I normally grow my autos in 20L of soil.
Normally most people would be ecstatic to have so many females, but I was finding myself asking "What the hell do you do with 24 undersized autos in small pots? Then it came to me..... I'm running them in a true Sea Of Green to see how the yields compare between 20 plants in assorted 1-2 gallon smart pots (Transplanting them simply so I dont need to water them three times a day. I know that is less than desirable to transplant an autoflower, especially when it has already shown sex, but it is what it is!) compared to 9 plants per 1000w in 5 gallon smart pots. Should be really interesting to see!

Spending my evening after work re-potting those breeders, and probably setting up a SCROG net for support. Stoked to see how it turns out! Happy hump day y'all!
 
@Dinafem-Mark Hey man, I hate to bother you, but I just had a quick question for you about a couple of WWXXL autoflowers that I have been growing for a little over a couple of months now. To quote my last post...

Still really struggling with those WWXXL's that seem to not want to go into flowering. Dropped the light cycle down to 14 hours on, and 10 off with no avail. They seem to be popping pistils and getting their poop in a group, and then they just pop out more vegetative growth. Having been well over two months of vegetative growth in, I think it is pretty obvious that they are not going to autoflower, which is a damn shame because I don't really have the space to throw together their own personal tent or room, and since my entire room is full of autoflowers, it would really do more harm than good to switch my entire room to 12/12, especially with the next generation coming up. At this point it seems like the smartest option for me would be to scrap the plants..... which would be terrible. They are absolutely gorgeous, and oh so full, but at this point they are almost already getting too big to flower out, especially if they double in size during the transition stage. At this point I'm looking for ideas or maybe some advice....
Any way somebody could tag Mark from Dinafem, or another one of their reps and see what they have to say? I'm curious to see what they think. Like I said before I have run Dinafem gear for over 5 years now with great success and not a single instance of genetic instability. With the two plants having the same exact temperament, that leads me to believe that it is not genetic instability causing the problems at hand here, but more than likely I'd guess I was actually given photoperiod White Widow's on accident.
I just wanted to see what you thought of it. Have you seen any issues with the white widow XXL's not autoflowering, or do you just think that I possibly got the wrong seeds on my order? Like I said earlier, the plants look gorgeous and very healthy, they just have not really begun to flower after 75-80 days from seed.... Thanks again Mark. I really look forward to hearing from you!
 
Oh hey there guys! Long time no see...... or chat for that matter!
Hoping that all is kind and green for you guys coming into this weekend. I'll tell you that things up north sure are exactly that!
Just to give you guys an update, we finally took the last batch of flowering ladies down in the room, and all but two of the lamps have been shut off to have the area vacuumed out, sprayed down with H2o2, and the floors will be recovered with contractor's plastic to keep the room clean, until the next round of girls is ready for transplant.
The final 6 Daiquiri Lime's met their makers on Tuesday morning, and the remaining 5 Automazar's were chopped about a week earlier, and are currently either in jars, or are being manicured and processed. I am extremely happy with the quality of everything that has been processed thus far. The Mazars had very little variation in growth structure, but had quite a bit of variation in odor between individuals, which is quite exciting! Some smell very floral and mild, others smell extremely pungent and funky, and then one lone soldier smells EXACTLY like juicy fruit gum, which is soooooo exciting. I've never smelled anything quite like it.
The Daiquiri Lime's also have two different variables in odor, but much more phenotype variation as well. Four of the 6 DL's had an extremely pungent funk of Diesel fuel, and light notes of incense, and the other two definitely live up to their name with an extremely fragrant citrus and menthol haze smell. Can't wait to see how those bad bears dry out, because the first one we harvested and jarred a little over a week ago is increeeeeddddddibleeeeee.
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I really would have liked to have improved my yields, but this was my first grow in the room, and we had quite a few kinks to iron out. This next run should be much more productive, between using better bulbs, 12 plants per light instead of 6, temp/humidity levels are finally dialed in, co2 system is in place, and we culled out the worthless genetics and replaced them with better strains. Really stoked to see how it all comes out!

The Auto Ultimates and [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG] super auto's that I planted directly in 5 gallon smart pots full of my supersoil mix really kind of struggled to take off. The growth was quite thin and brittle, and some of the plants showed either a potassium or magnesium deficiency about two weeks in, and growth really slowed to a rate that I was quite unhappy with. Since then, I have treated the plants with a foliar epsom salt spray mixed with a very light kelp foliar, and new growth finally appears to be taking back off, but the stunting I experienced will likely really put me back in the yield department..... super bummer, but we'll make it!
At this point, almost all of these ladies have begun to pop their first presexual pistils, and are getting ready to do their thing. Really hoping that they fill out and stretch quite a bit over the next couple of weeks, so I can scrog them up and get this show back on the road!

Also in the flowering room I have 20 plants (headlights kush, Lemon Haze, Diezel Haze, and Blueberry Headband) in two gallon smart pots, doing a true sea of green, and so far I am really happy with how things are going. The plants definitely stretched like a banshee for the most part (Especially those Headlight's); likely due to how many of them I crammed under a single thowwie, but I'm not upset with that, and I think that in a few weeks I am going to have 18-20 rather impressive colas under that light (especially considering than a few of the girls are already at or above 6 feet in week two of flower....
I'm going to take it with stride, but it is definitely a lesson learned. Next time I SOG out, I'm going to have to monocrop, keep them under the halides a week longer, and begin feeding the OSA-28 a bit earlier to cut down on the stretching.
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Still very excited to see how this works, and also to see how the yields compare to doing 12 larger girls in larger pots under a light. If the SOG garden yields reasonably more, I may just have to think about adjusting my approach to this whole autoflowering indoors thing...

Also, earlier this week I decided to play around with something new..... Starting seeds in rockwool (2x White widow xxl, 4x Fantasmo Express, 9x AutoMazar, and 9x Daiquiri Lime). As an organic soil gardener, I never really played around with the rockwool cubes, but when I heard that one of their biggest benefits was being able to transplant your ladies without shock, it got me thinking.... Perhaps this is the answer to the transplant predicament that is faced by Autoflower cultivators around the world. Soooooo I decided to set up a little experiment.
I soaked 24 two inch rockwool cubes in a starter solution PH balanced to 5.5, and popped in my seeds, pointy end down. Within 48 hours after sowing seeds, each bean had popped and had exposed itself above the rockwool, and 24 hours after that each cube was popping with fuzzy white roots. Great success!
Lined a propagation tray with about an inch of vermiculite, and placed the cubes on top of the layer, hoping that the roots will continue to grow through the media over the next few days, before they are transplanted into 1 gallon maxi pots full of tupur and super soil at a 75-25% mix, with a full layer of super soil near the bottom of each pot. Once transplanted, they will likely spend the next 10-14 days in those small pots, under a 4 foot 8 bulb T-5 loaded with the powerveg color bulbs to begin the vegetative process. Hopefully by that time the pots will have filled in completely with roots, making the transplant to their final 5 gallon pots nothing short of a breeze! Time will tell to see how it works out, but so far so good!

Also under the same T-5 I have two studly Headlights Kush males, dropping pollen like it's nobody's business. Currently in the middle of collecting the two individual's pollen, drying it, and storing it to be used to select pollinate the best female candidates from the bunch. Excited to see what kind of crazy mad science we come across next!
Stay tuned my friends! I'll keep you updated about the whole process, but in the mean time.... have some pictures! first page is going to be pictures of the Mazar, and my second update will be allllll Lime! Enjoy!


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Flushed the Mazar's for upwards to 30 days, and never in my life have I had a plant finish so green... Other than a little CalMag deficiency the plants finished out extremely healthy. Just goes to show how little nitrogen these girls need!
 
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And onward to the Daiquiri Lime's...
There was quite a bit of variation between individuals, but each girl was a definite keeper in her own way.
That first jet black phenotype was the first harvested, and is the only one currently curing away in her Jar, and my god does she look and smell incredible. Currently thinking that she has the best bag appeal of anything that I have grown to date. All calyx, no leaves, beautiful color between the glistening white resin and beautiful purple bits. And the smell? Oh lawwwwdy lawwwdy looo! Its like Body odor and diesel fuel.... it's pretty intense haha.
Heres a little sample of the dried product for your viewing pleasure.
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The other Limes in the bunch all came out different, but in many of their own ways equally as impressive.
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Sorry for the two picture heavy updates in one day! Hope you enjoy,
Oh yeah, Happy weekend everyone!
 
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