Genetic marking tech

[Fitzy]

So I came across this the other night not sure if this is ok to link to this site but it's a company that offers a kit that allows you to mark certain genes to get your breeding program a claimed 30% to 35% faster than without it. I am excited to see things like this and they are offering a kit you have to tell them why/way your plans are ect with ur breeding program and how you do it ect check it out the site is called NRGene.com @Son of Hobbes @manogreen lmk if I can link the site and fourm ect if not no biggie @SUNDOG @Kya Knight @blue @NastyN8t @faded187 @Freeflow @Trichome farmer @Jc420bigbud tag others that maybe interested.

 

[Olderfart]

So I came across this the other night not sure if this is ok to link to this site but it's a company that offers a kit that allows you to mark certain genes to get your breeding program a claimed 30% to 35% faster than without it. I am excited to see things like this and they are offering a kit you have to tell them why/way your plans are ect with ur breeding program and how you do it ect check it out the site is called NRGene.com @Son of Hobbes @manogreen lmk if I can link the site and fourm ect if not no biggie @SUNDOG @Kya Knight @blue @NastyN8t @faded187 @Freeflow @Trichome farmer @Jc420bigbud tag others that maybe interested.

In my opinion, you would be as well off or better just checking your plants for the characteristics you like, and you would save a hell of a lot of money. Keep in mind here that the company is offering to "help you discover markers", not to divulge for a price what genetic markers are already sorted out to guide your breeding. The process of identifying markers, I guarantee you, would be lengthy, potentially complicated, expensive, and could still end up not doing as well as conventional head scratching. Many of the characteristics we are interested in may turn out to be influenced by numerous genes and genetic switches, the combinations of which could be bloody difficult to sort out even if you wanted to pour a pile of money into the analysis.

And guess what? I'll bet you a nice beverage or two that the sale agreement with the company will include a provision that enables them to retain the genetic data you pay to have developed, or if it doesn't, they will likely retain it anyway, and end up making much of their long term income selling genetic information and analyses paid for by others. Sound familiar?

Beware of anyone offering to sell you genetic analyses, plant or human. More often than not, it is all about the data, data that they want, not data you are looking for. Just my $0.02.

 

[Fitzy]

This is why I was bringing this up as imo I'm very skeptical I did put in for the free setup I'm interested to see peoples opinion I don't know I do think as you said it's easy enuff to look for specific traits except in flower unless you have room to spare but regardless this is interesting I'm thinking about asking them some ? about some of the things you mentioned aswell as a few others.

In my opinion, you would be as well off or better just checking your plants for the characteristics you like, and you would save a hell of a lot of money. Keep in mind here that the company is offering to "help you discover markers", not to divulge for a price what genetic markers are already sorted out to guide your breeding. The process of identifying markers, I guarantee you, would be lengthy, potentially complicated, expensive, and could still end up not doing as well as conventional head scratching. Many of the characteristics we are interested in may turn out to be influenced by numerous genes and genetic switches, the combinations of which could be bloody difficult to sort out even if you wanted to pour a pile of money into the analysis.

And guess what? I'll bet you a nice beverage or two that the sale agreement with the company will include a provision that enables them to retain the genetic data you pay to have developed, or if it doesn't, they will likely retain it anyway, and end up making much of their long term income selling genetic information and analyses paid for by others. Sound familiar?

Beware of anyone offering to sell you genetic analyses, plant or human. More often than not, it is all about the data, data that they want, not data you are looking for. Just my $0.02.

 

[Olderfart]

This is why I was bringing this up as imo I'm very skeptical I did put in for the free setup I'm interested to see peoples opinion I don't know I do think as you said it's easy enuff to look for specific traits except in flower unless you have room to spare but regardless this is interesting I'm thinking about asking them some ? about some of the things you mentioned aswell as a few others.

Good luck with it, I will be curious to see what you come up with.

 

[NastyN8t]

Im baked and cant think of the name right off but there was a cannabis genome mapling program running that ended up stealing everyones genetic work under the premise similar to what u stated. They promised otherwise and fucked over a handful of growers who handed over their life's work. Im a big sceptic of them all now.

 

[Olderfart]

Im baked and cant think of the name right off but there was a cannabis genome mapling program running that ended up stealing everyones genetic work under the premise similar to what u stated. They promised otherwise and fucked over a handful of growers who handed over their life's work. Im a big sceptic of them all now.

That would be the reason for my "sound familiar" comment. Even not stoned, I couldn't remember the details of the scam you refer to, but it burned a bunch of breeders in a big way. The company collected a pant load of genetic cannabis data off breeders, promising that it would be used to advance understanding of cannabis and the art of breeding it, and that their genetic information would not be sold. They, as it were, changed their minds after they had enough data to sell, and there is not a damn thing the breeders can do about it.

The same crap is now going on with these genealogy operations - you pay to contribute to their data banks, and they turn around and sell the assembled databases to medical researchers, police or anyone else that can pay for it and use it. There was a news report a while ago about a guy who was convicted in an open case years after a murder. He had not contributed his DNA, but family members had contributed theirs, and the family's DNA confirmed for the police that the killer was a close relative. It didn't take long to track down the culprit after that. In the case of tracking down a murderer, so much the better most of us would agree. In the case of stealing the years of hard work a plant breeder has undertaken to obtain a particular result, most of us might sympathize with the scammed breeder.

DNA is like digital data, bloody hard or impossible to take it back once it is out there, so be careful where you send yours.

 

[Trichome farmer]

pretty sure the company who screwed everyone over was phylos not sure what ever came of it

 

[Olderfart]

pretty sure the company who screwed everyone over was phylos not sure what ever came of it

Yeah, you are correct. I never heard boo after the initial ruckus. After you mentioned the company name, I found the article below which nicely summarizes the history of the scam.

Former Phylos Bioscience Employee Sheds Light on Breeding Controversy

He believes they're bullshitting the people that brought them up.

hightimes.com

The mischief that DNA data can be used for is hard to overestimate, and as I pointed out earlier, once the data is out, it is more or less impossible to take back. The genetic data that the scammed breeders paid their own money to assemble is now totally in the hands of Phylos for them to use to compete with the breeders who developed the strains involved.

 

[Proph]

This would be rather pointless for autos or home growers.. This is definitely for commercial/farm/facility use on farm crops.. Im sure they would LOOOVVEEE to get a large cannabis database because of the money pit that it is.. You couldnt grow enough plants indoors to be able to get back any useful info. But it would expose the auto breeders that rename other people's strains and lie about the cross that they used to create the auto.

Not only that, I can promise you, that like any data mining company, good or bad, every sample sent in is being tissue cultured and kept on file somewhere for future use/sales. We (auto and home growers) would basically be paying money to build their data base, and providing them with free cannabis plants to tissue culture.. I can see this working well for Apple's or pumpkins and other farm crops that don't sell for $40 an 8th.

 

[Fitzy]

These are all good points I also remember all that non sense and was kinda wondering if it was the same but ya it's interesting never the less and from what I've seen people are patening genetics and have for awhile one of the first was a pharmacy company in Europe which produces sativas which is made with real cannabis they have what ever that strain is and only they can produce it so again this is why I wanted others to chime in I think it would be great for unknown genetics and the such, or breeders that say it's there widow but really it's Dutch Passion we really need a place that would do this gene mapping for real research ect that's in for the love of the plant not the cash that can be made from it I no that won t happen but anyway I am wondering way this kit entails if I ever hear anything I will share it. Thanks for your replys and oppinons guys much appreciated