Flushing: The Myth that won't Die

[pop22]

To remove the nutrients stored, you'd need to let thew buds die also, from consuming the nutrients. Buds can live long after your plant dies, and as it is dying, those nutrient are being packed off to the bud in a last desperate attempt to reproduce. The idea is good on the surface. But doesn't work how people as assume they do. There will be the same amount of nutrient stored in the bud as was before your flush started.

And I need to check on this, but I don't believe that the chelation agents used enter the plant. The mechanism that brings nutrients into the plant are very specific in what they can accept, elemental and mineral ions. Also, many of the minerals and elements that need to be chelated are done using organic chelation chemicals, just like the microbes in soil use. Maybe its time to see what is really in those bottled nutes ( besides 95% water.. )


And the whole "Synthetic" or "chemical" labeling of nutrients is one of my next targets for dispelling misunderstanding. I'm doing some research now. And organics are chemicals, and your plants don't care what you use.....lol!

right-f'ing on pop22! .... here's what I wrote in response to some questions about this, and check my reasoning on it too,...

>> " ....these are 100% correct scientific facts.. the problem is in part with peoples understanding of the terms "flush" and "cleanse" (Muddy chose that term well, BTW!)... Flushing does NOT mean the plant is getting some sort of internal rinsing, it's the medium that's getting extra nutes removed so the plant doesn't keep taking them in and, often, storing them... several nute elements are taken up whether the plant needs them or not, especially N; they can only store so much before toxicity issues start to take affect! ... having the plant finish "face first" means she has pretty much depleted her inner stores of nutes, including some fan leaves, which will make for better quality smoke; too much N, P, K, sugars, etc. will foul things up, and heavy feeding can lead to excess stored nutes... So, the idea is to remove the extra unwanted nutes from the medium, and have the plant forced to use up it's internals and clear out the excess... organics, being milder and slower released (due to the need for the 'crobes to break then down and get them into cycling and changed into available/absorbable forms) generally won't cause so much over-storage vs synthetics, which are generally all right-now available forms,... Muddy's use of "cleanse" is just that, it's making the plant clear out the extra's, and to do that, the medium needs to be reduced to low nute content typically (not always) for several days at least,... the part about convection might make more sense if it included transpiration in the water movement explanation,... Kudos to pop22 for this myth-buster posting!"

 

[pop22]

be careful, the horse's mouth can be full of shit also when they want to sell you something! Nutrient companies and hydro stores love garden myths, they get you to buy crap you don't need....lol!

When I started growing I went with what mates told me to do but it didn't work too well so I started reading the documentation manufacturers had written about the products I was using. I got much better results when I stopped getting my information from the horses' arse and started getting it from the horses' mouth!

One of the clues I got to stop starving them before harvest was that the nute schedule didn't say stop.

Another clue I got was with taster buds taken with full strength nutes in the res as they were fine if allowed to dry normally.

And then another clue is posts like these which seem to stand up to peer review and confirm what the other clues were telling me and it all fits with what I can see going on in my active reservoirs with EC and pH meters.

 

[Kakarot]

I am going to do a test this grow I have 3 gals that will be finished around the same time they all get seagrow 16-16-16 and 4-26-26. I will flush 2 of them and chop one without doing shit to it I have never ran 3x the amount for a 3 gallon I usually run 9 gallons plain spring water through. I guess we will see if it makes a shit or not. The last plant I did was yumbolt 47 she had a half ass flush and I know did not have time to uptake the clean water and her ash is white and smoke taste and smells like grapes, we need to form a team and put this shit to rest for good lol.


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[pop22]

Jorge says so, it must be true!!........................not

and your right, science still says its a waste of time, or, give her a 6-8 week flush..........., or do like they do in Morocco for making hash, throw the plants on the roof of your shed to dry for a few weeks........... Harvested bud are very healthy still and full of nutrients!

I'm on that team too.... Until a flusher explains the specific science behind it, and that seems to be a long in the tooth wait.....eternal Me thinks........ I see some flushers on here has posted in this thread with a little back pedalling on the terms used and reasons, but still insists flushing, cleansing, whatever.... Changes the taste.... Possibly because they have been recommending this procedure for some time and find a total climbdown somewhat unsavoury.... Just my take!

 

[pop22]

Give your buds a good cure after drying, 2 weeks at least. You won't know which is which. I've put money on a table and had 20 people try to tell. half gave up without a guess, the rest where all wrong. Ash will be black in buds that still have a high sugar content. Curing breaks down the sugar remnants. Another myth to kiss goodbye is the magnesium makes your buds spark bullshit. If you remove every last molecule of mag from a bud, you'll need a REALLY good microscope to see the pile to light on fire........... sparking and popping is the bodies of mites and bugs exploding when the heat turns the water in their bodies to steam and they explode.

I am going to do a test this grow I have 3 gals that will be finished around the same time they all get seagrow 16-16-16 and 4-26-26. I will flush 2 of them and chop one without doing shit to it I have never ran 3x the amount for a 3 gallon I usually run 9 gallons plain spring water through. I guess we will see if it makes a shit or not. The last plant I did was yumbolt 47 she had a half ass flush and I know did not have time to uptake the clean water and her ash is white and smoke taste and smells like grapes, we need to form a team and put this shit to rest for good lol.


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[pop22]

And I'm glad people are reading this and are now at least thinking on this

 

[Corgy]

And the whole "Synthetic" or "chemical" labeling of nutrients is one of my next targets for dispelling misunderstanding. I'm doing some research now. And organics are chemicals, and your plants don't care what you use.....lol!

Aye, that's another good myth to bite into, better ban that one from this thread and get it into its own thread before it fogs up the flushing hullabaloo....

 

[Mossy]

You made the Front Page pop22....maybe more members will Listen now....Congratulations..

 

[Dr Fluff]

You keep busting them pop22!
I only flush when i have been to the bathroom!

 

[KushNFT]

be careful, the horse's mouth can be full of shit also when they want to sell you something! Nutrient companies and hydro stores love garden myths, they get you to buy crap you don't need....lol!

Aye, and funnily enough I was just laughing with the guys at the grow shop about the all the nutes and stuff some folk buy. They don't stock AN 'cos of the amount of shelf space it needs and have never tried to sell me supplements. Once they refused to sell me pH up when I though I needed it for a soil grow and also told me not to starve plants at the end.

All I bought was IONIC hydro bloom and a new 600W HPS kit for £65 so I can add another light to try out aeroponics under:smoking:

Might be a little OT for this thread but how would I go about finding out how much one notch above not enough is in an active reservoir? The nute company says run at 2.0 on the EC but I suspect that's just how much they want me to use so I use more of their product.